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Mr.LaBella Oct 13, 2013

  1. Winter

    Winter Rampaging Sausage Knife Maker or Craftsman

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    Every fucking 10 yo knows these words.

    That would be too much change.

    PG fucking 13 JD?

    Hell no...
     
  2. Dyoung

    Dyoung Enormous member

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    I don't know, I don't have a huge problem with the pictures, although it is quite tough to explain your way out of that if someone happens to be looking at your phone or computer. Overall, I wouldn't mind having that confined to the Ultra Hott section. But that's just my 2 cents...
     
  3. jjhamilton

    jjhamilton JDBA4L JDBA Official Member

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    I agree and was hoping I wasn't alone....
     
  4. Mr.LaBella

    Mr.LaBella ←The № 1 Devil→ Administrator

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    Makes me happy that you are on The JD.

    The whole is indeed greater than the sum of the parts!

    I think Rated R avatars are/will be acceptable, just not full blown porn/naked chics. Less is more. The language is fine, we do not mind cursing, as most of us (definitely not all) are adults.

    Reputation gifs of disgusting acts & nature will now be Infractionable as will avatars going "over the top". We do not want to censor, but the writing is literally on the wall as well as all over the place.

    There will be time, between now & Jan. 1 2014 to get your stuff straightened out/organized.

    All NSFW and such should be posted in Ultrahott from here on out, videos pictures, whatever the hell else youse find & share.

    No one is 'wrong' here, no one is in 'trouble' we just need to scale it back a notch or two.

    I am extremely pleased with the discussion and tone so far, keep up the good work.

    On the Admin. side we will sort the guests viewing avatars and sigs as soon as humanly possible.

    :devilcorn:

    So far we have been labeled immature & cliquish?

    That's it?

    Mighty is what I *know*!

    Rats cat for president in 2016!
     
  5. armedpootles

    armedpootles JDBA OFFICIAL Member JDBA Official Member

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    yea i can agree to that, i dont like opening some things on my page because my parents or brothers are walking by. can get a bit wierd:ropeman:
     
  6. droid

    droid This IS the droid you are looking for! Brigade Member

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    So... I haven't chimed in on this because I'm okay with things just the way they are.

    Maybe the excessive activity from the Netherlands was a little over the top (maybe) but I wasn't overly concerned.

    I have no kids at home and I surf whatever I damn well please while I'm at home. :manganr: However, I understand the plight of those with children and overly jealous/protective/concerned significant others.

    I look at JD when I'm at work while I'm at lunch or before the day starts. We have a pretty stern "net-nanny" but JD gets through so I don't worry about it. They haven't fired anyone YET for surfing the net during lunch or before/after hours.

    My question/concern here is how and who will define an R-rated avatar/sig and who will be the judge of "disgusting acts and nature"?

    One person's disgusting is another person's passion...
    Maybe I just haven't received any of these "disgusting" GIFs and I'M certainly not one to judge!

    Ultra Hott has its place, surely. Confining full nudity there may please others, good for them. I really don't have a problem with it but understand that others do and that's their prerogative. I don't come here to see nudity BUT like any other healthy American male, I do like to observe a shapely pair of breasts or a lithe, lissome, member of the fairer sex.

    What I would really find disturbing, is that JD gets so watered down it leads down the primrose path of obsessive moderation and abuse of authority.

    The main reason I come here is so that everyone can be themselves!
    That, to me, is the allure of this place... we can be ourselves and not fear any repercussions. Well, with the exception of the trolls and idiots... But even THEY have a certain entertainment value up to a point!

    I like it here and I like the many folks I've met here. They are all good people. I like the fact that what I see here is what I see when I'm face-to-face with the members. If THAT gets lost, then JD is lost, at least in my humble and honest opinion.

    Again, thank you RON for providing this forum and keeping us free from advertisements, prohibitive fees, spam and (so far) excessive moderation!

    So there you have it... MY OPINION. Ya happy BILL???? :bwah:
     
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  7. Mr.LaBella

    Mr.LaBella ←The № 1 Devil→ Administrator

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    I agree with all of the statements above me (droid's post).

    How abou this to define it further:

    Chic in bikini, okay. Naked chic, not so much. Other than that, I do not see so much being watered down.

    YOU are more than welcome for the rest! (droid again) :jdwink2:

    I promise no watering down of any drinks, either. We just need to dial this back a notch or two seems to be the overall consensus.
     
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  8. jjhamilton

    jjhamilton JDBA4L JDBA Official Member

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    The rep GIF thing...I do have a question, I know some people ended up getting caught up in the battle that were collateral damage, but it was intended as just childish fun...if it is keep between those that do not complain or have issues...will that be ok, or is this completely frowned upon (considering the infraction statement earlier)....
     
  9. Mr.LaBella

    Mr.LaBella ←The № 1 Devil→ Administrator

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    If I (or any other Mod) goes to your profile page there it is. Apparently vbulletin got enough complaints to make it visible this way at some point or another. Some people complain (report it/them) and sometimes you accidentally see it and fucking vomit.

    Back to the I accidentally saw something type complaints from multiple people, spouses, children etc. and so on (cough 9ZB)

    :manganr:
     
  10. jjhamilton

    jjhamilton JDBA4L JDBA Official Member

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    Gotcha Captain, and understood
     
  11. Str8ShooterEsq

    Str8ShooterEsq Wartime Consigliere Brigade Member

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    Ron, I cannot imagine you asking this question on the basis of what one guy said. What else have you heard? And, are you worried about the JD's reputation among makers? Collectors? Who, in particular?

    As for me, I haven't heard anything one way or the other, except at the Blade Show two years ago I was wearing my JD shirt and a maker asked me what "JD" stood for. I told him the Jerzee Devil forum. He made a bit of a face, and I moved on to another table shortly after that. I cannot recall who it was, though.
     
  12. WyldeDime

    WyldeDime Huge member

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    And I guess I could ask, why should I change my avatar so you can look at the site while you are at work?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not unwilling to change my stuff if need be. We were asked for discussion and that's what i am doing.
     
  13. Bill T

    Bill T Snatch Boogie Knife Maker or Craftsman

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    This is not about the Nudity issue...



    This addresses Ron's original question.

    I know of Makers that come here and post pics of their work and never post anything else..

    I see daily, new members signing up only to go to the Buy/Sell subforum...where you'll see them still 4 years from now with 27 posts..26 in B/S...

    I see member after member, jump right in to again go to B/S without the required intro, and wind up in the Field..

    I've seen some members get exposed for the Liars/Asses/Thieves/B.S. Artists they are..


    These are the people who I see causing the most ruckus. The ones loudly complaining about how unfair the JD is.

    Also the people I know, that don't like the JD, are always here lurking, being entertained.
    Having their cake and eating it to.
    How do I know? They mention it to me. I never do to them , because I'm told by them,they " don't go there" .

    All of the above...If they have an Opinion about the JD... I don't give a Fuck....
     
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  14. littlejoey

    littlejoey High on a Mountain Top Brigade Member

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    Yeah, me too. And I make an effort to surf away from the public eye when I'm sitting in airports travelling, cause I don't want to upset the citizens...

    Honestly, I was really surprised to see how quickly this thread went from "Recently a "member" had been admonished for repeatedly 'breaking' rules in the for sale areas (The Voodoo Economics)" and "what have you heard or been told about JD and what do you feel is JD's reputation?" to specific comments about nudity in avatars, sigs, and outside of the Ultra Hott threads.

    I'll be really surprised if "outside" perceptions of the JD really change that much with less nudity. I believe that JD haters will continue to hate.

    So why change? Is it to appeal to a wider demographic? To get more makers on board (I buy knives primarily from makers on the JD)? To get lurkers to participate? Or, is this about making access to the JD more family friendly?

    I guess I support toning things down, to make it easier on members that log on to the JD in work, or with their spouses or kids around (why would you get on the JD with them around, anyway?), as long as the JD doesn't go PG13. I would be really be disappointed if that happened.

    The reasons I'm here in the first place? The community, the knives, the guns, the creativity, the brilliant comments, the babes, and the adult freedom of expression.

    I've received lots of positive comments on my avatar - no negative comments. But I'm looking for a replacement...
     
  15. Doc Pringles

    Doc Pringles The Devilz Doctor Brigade Member

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    I have been on dozens of forums in the past 15 or more years. I can’t remember any negative comments concerning the JD, its language or contents. My forum participation has mostly remained to “The Mighty JD” and Benchmade Forum. I proudly post a JD logo in my sig at the Benchmade forum that links to our forum here at the JD. I have sold a number of knives both here and at the Benchmade Forum. Most of those knives are shipped with a Jerzee Devil business card, sticker, patch or my home made Jerzee Devil refrigerator magnets.
    Doc Pringles refrigerator magnets. :unintroduced:
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    Does the Jerzee Devil have a reputation problem? Not from anything I have seen or read.
    Do I promote The JD to others? Obviously yes. I’m also proud of the number of folks I have introduced to the JD. I take responsibility for my own actions and am not easily offended.

    The JD is a Libertarian playground for adults. Forums are best used for micro-casting. It can also be its worst enemy as well. Chatting about one subject (even if complex) can be tiresome. That’s why many of us have visited other forums and do not go back after a few months. The JD’s demographic is a male or female who loves their knives and want to know more. We don’t take ourselves too seriously (unless it matters) and enjoy life as it is.

    This is the reputation I hear about of The JD. I will admit not having an updated pulse of the Internets at this particular time. I suspect little has changed.

    The only problem I have with nudity at the JD (other than my own) is the quality of some of the photos. For example; I don’t mind ½ dozen babes posing in tiny bikinis or nude under almost any circumstance. I’m Pro hot naked babes. I’m not as into a gallery of girls spreading their ass cheeks wide enough to perform Proctology and Gynecology exams. Still I feel that if you roll that way then have at it. It’s all about being happy without infringing on others happiness.
     
  16. Lone_Wolfe

    Lone_Wolfe Bunker Dweller Lady Devil JDBA Official Member Brigade Member

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    I didn't say anything about work, but I'd have that issue if my office didn't have a lock on the door. I just don't have any desire to see naked women, anymore than you want to see naked men. And I happen to notice naked men pics aren't allowed here. I realize we women are the minority here, but that's still a double standard.
     
  17. jujigatame

    jujigatame Slanted & Enchanted

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    What have I heard about JD from folks who aren't members? Nothing that I can recall. So take the following with that in mind.

    The labels/rep of being immature and clique-ish are going to come mainly from folks who, for one reason or another, don't mesh well in the fold of this forum. Same as high school, work, and a dozen other social situations. It's different if you feel like you don't fit.

    JD is not for everyone and there is nothing wrong with that. No shame in saying that you don't like it or prefer another place to hang out. If I didn't like it I wouldn't have stuck around, but I do and I did.

    I agree with what Bill said that a lot of the noise would tend to come from those who blow in and want to do things without regard to the community and the way it operates. The way the members handle these instances can be an eye opener to those who haven't encountered it before. As was mentioned before the dogpiling can get nasty and once it starts rolling downhill it can be hard to stop. Some people see their first post moved to the Field and retitled "I'm a jerk with no manners" and flip out over it with a rant about how we're all a bunch of dicks. They will be more likely to tell others about their experience and perhaps this is where some of the rep comes from.

    I deal with two lines of thought on this issue.

    #1 is that we're only asking for people to start out with adherence to the basic concept of read the rules and follow the rules. On a broader basis it goes to the idea of respecting the place you're in if you expect to get respect from the people there. If the people who don't like our forum are the ones who didn't want to respect it in the first place then how worried should we be about it?

    #2 is perhaps the way those situations get handled could be less aggressive on our part. There are ways to deal with it without turning to abusive behavior, particularly on someone's first time getting it wrong on where to post, what to post, etc. Sometimes being more explanatory and less hostile on our part could get the message across without leaving a bad taste in someone's mouth.

    Between those two things I tend to fall in more with #1 but that does not mean #2 is without merit and worth the effort on our part. There is no one-size-fits-all answer.
     
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  18. Mr.LaBella

    Mr.LaBella ←The № 1 Devil→ Administrator

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    It was a few, back to back. What started out as a simple question turned into something more than a few were bothered by. Let's all work together to take 'it' down a notch or two and be done with it. Nudity in posts= Ultrahott, NOT naked avatars & sigs.

    I do not think it is that hard everyone!?

    Lone Wolf, the Lady Devils have their own things going on ;)


    :D

    Again-


    Keep the discussion lively!
     
  19. Obijuan Kenobe

    Obijuan Kenobe Our only hope! Brigade Member

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    I think the main point of gain with this potential slight shift in policy is Devilz being able to check in whenever, wherever.

    Let's say there are at least three good points against random full-nudity, or nudity being visible to visitors.

    First off, let me say I have been to and will go back to the UH section of JD. Duh.

    But there are some good points being put forth here.

    1.) Those who work at any form of organisation must deal with IT departments that screen our traffic.

    2.) Those Devilz that have families do need to deal with the issue constantly at home. I do not have an issue with my wife or children, but I also do not find my JD experience enhanced by seeing the same nude all over for a year or more on end. At the same time, avatars are nice and add a bit of personality which without is a biEven RoyalM's avatar gets old if he happens to be posting alot (NOT suggesting even for a second there is anything wrong with his avatar! I love band chicks!)!

    3.) There are plenty of folks (not necessarily just particularly prudish or religious folks, but also for example, She-Devilz) that are comfortable with nudie pictures of neither hot nor ugly ladies, never mind porno GIFs or whatever you guys are slinging around. They just are not comfortable. Do we want to exclude those knife lovers because as a group we want random porn to remain integral to JD?

    Occasionally I am surprised by movement and odd shapes my mind was not expecting. Quite frankly, it is good to avoid these moments at work, with family, or even in general, while surfing the interwebs. I like to feel in control.

    We are mainly here for knives (and guns perhaps), hair care tips, and conversation, if I recall correctly?

    Of course the worst part of this is the fact that these changes, by definition, require more moderator activity to enforce.

    And I do agree with the posts which expound on the JD's greatest strength: This place is a rare no-bullshit zone on the interwebs. The JD has managed to maintain this status by actually ditching (rather than refining) the typical white-glove forum moderation style that is SOOOOOOOOO confining, all while keeping it FREE?! Many of the best threads on JD simply would never have made it past post three anywhere else because their intellectual free spaces are moderated into a tiny politically correct box.

    *** Team American soundtrack fades in... ****

    JerzeeDevil! Fuck yeah!

    End scene.

    obi
     
  20. itadakimasu

    itadakimasu There are no kangaroos in Austria! JDBA Official Member Brigade Member

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    How about a poll, just the see some statistics?
     

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