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  1. Ryanol

    Ryanol SnarkMasterFunkyFresh JDBA Official Member

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    My sig also has an aluminum frame too. But it's sort of a cop out because in firearms its a sliding motion not direct contact and there are buffer and guide rod/recoil springs to arrest any impact.
     
  2. zuggzugg

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    Wouldn't the sliding/friction still cause the aluminum to wear down significantly on the parts that do rub, even if it's not a direct impact? Especially if the aluminum is "soft" or weak?
     
  3. Glenn

    Glenn Sol Invictus Knife Maker or Craftsman

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    Aluminum has many grades, and properties, pending what grade they used and how it was treated it can be very durable.

    Butt, Anyone remember the Tach 2's gummy handles. :unintroduced:

    Reference:

    http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/aluminfo.php


    1100
    This grade is commercially pure aluminum. It is soft and ductile and has excellent workability. It is ideal for applications involving intricate forming because it work hardens more slowly than other alloys. It is the most weldable of aluminum alloys, by any method. It is non heat-treatable. It has excellent resistance to corrosion and is widely used in the chemical and food processing industries. It responds well to decorative finishes which make it suitable for giftware.
    2011
    This is the most free-machining of the common aluminum alloys. It also has excellent mechanical properties. Thus, it is widely used for automatic screw machine products in parts requiring extensive machining.

    2014 & 2017
    The 2017 alloy combines excellent machinability and high strength with the result that it is one of the most widely used alloys for automatic screw machine work. It is a tough, ductile alloy suitable for heavy-duty structural parts. Its strength is slightly less than that of 2014.

    2024
    This is one of the best known of the high strength aluminum alloys. With its high strength and excellent fatigue resistance, it is used to advantage on structures and parts where good strength-to-weight ratio is desired. It is readily machined to a high finish. It is readily formed in the annealed condition and may be subsequently heat treated. Arc or gas welding is generally not recommended, although this alloy may be spot, seam or flash welded. Since corrosion resistance is relatively low, 2024 is commonly used with an anodized finish or in clad form (“Alclad”) with a thin surface layer of high purity aluminum. Applications: aircraft structural components, aircraft fittings, hardware, truck wheels and parts for the transportation industry.

    3003
    This is the most widely used of all aluminum alloys. It is essentially commercially pure aluminum with the addition of manganese which increases the strength some 20% over the 1100 grade. Thus, it has all the excellent characteristics of 1100 with higher strength. It has excellent corrosion resistance. It has excellent workability and it may be deep drawn or spun, welded or brazed. It is non heat treatable. Applications: cooking utensils, decorative trim, awnings, siding, storage tanks, chemical equipment.

    5005
    This alloy is generally considered to be an improved version of 3003. It has the same general mechanical properties as 3003 but appears to stand up better in actual service. It is readily workable. It can be deep drawn or spun, welded or brazed. It has excellent corrosion resistance. It is non heat-treatable. It is well suited for anodizing and has less tendency to streak or discolor. Applications same as 3003.

    5052
    This is the highest strength alloy of the more common non heat-treatable grades. Fatigue strength is higher than most aluminum alloys.In addition this grade has particularly good resistance to marine atmosphere and salt water corrosion. It has excellent workability. It may be drawn or formed into intricate shapes and its slightly greater strength in the annealed condition minimizes tearing that occurs in 1100 and 3003. Applications: Used in a wide variety of applications from aircraft components to home appliances, marine and transportation industry parts, heavy duty cooking utensils and equipment for bulk processing of food.

    5083 & 5086
    For many years there has been a need for aluminum sheet and plate alloys that would offer, for high strength welded applications, several distinct benefits over such alloys as 5052 and 6061. Some of the benefits fabricators have been seeking are greater design efficiency, better welding characteristics, good forming properties, excellent resistance to corrosion and the same economy as in other non heat-treatable alloys. Metallurgical research has developed 5083 and 5086 as superior weldable alloys which fill these needs. Both alloys have virtually the same characteristics with 5083 having slightly higher mechanical properties due to the increased manganese content over 5086. Applications: unfired pressure vessels, missile containers, heavy-duty truck and trailer assemblies, boat hulls and superstructures.

    6061
    This is the least expensive and most versatile of the heat-treatable aluminum alloys. It has most of the good qualities of aluminum. It offers a range of good mechanical properties and good corrosion resistance. It can be fabricated by most of the commonly used techniques. In the annealed condition it has good workability. In the T4 condition fairly severe forming operations may be accomplished. The full T6 properties may be obtained by artificial aging. It is welded by all methods and can be furnace brazed. It is available in the clad form (“Alclad”) with a thin surface layer of high purity aluminum to improve both appearance and corrosion resistance. Applications: This grade is used for a wide variety of products and applications from truck bodies and frames to screw machine parts and structural components. 6061 is used where appearance and better corrosion resistance with good strength are required.

    6063
    This grade is commonly referred to as the architectural alloy. It was developed as an extrusion alloy with relatively high tensile properties, excellent finishing characteristics and a high degree of resistance to corrosion. This alloy is most often found in various interior and exterior architectural applications, such as windows, doors, store fronts and assorted trim items. It is the alloy best suited for anodizing applications - either plain or in a variety of colors.

    7075
    This is one of the highest strength aluminum alloys available. Its strength-to weight ratio is excellent and it is ideally used for highly stressed parts. It may be formed in the annealed condition and subsequently heat treated. Spot or flash welding can be used, although arc and gas welding are not recommended. It is available in the clad (“Alclad”) form to improve the corrosion resistance with the over-all high strength being only moderately affected. Applications: Used where highest strength is needed.

    ALUMINUM ALLOY DESIGNATIONS
    The aluminum industry uses a four-digit index system for the designation of its wrought aluminum alloys.

    As outlined below, the first digit indicates the alloy group according to the major alloying elements.

    1xxx Series

    In this group. minimum aluminum content is 99%. and there is no major alloying element.

    The second digit indicates modifications in impurity limits. If the second digit is zero, there is no special control on individual impurities. Digits 1 through 9, which are assigned consecutively as needed, indicate special control of one or more individual impurities.

    The last two digits indicate specific minimum aluminum content. Although the absolute minimum aluminum content in this group is 99% the minimum for certain grades is higher than 99%, and the last two digits represent the hundredths of a per cent over 99.

    Thus, 1030 would indicate 99.30% minimum aluminum. without special control on individual impurities. The designations 1130, 1230, 1330, etc.. indicate the same purity with special control on one or more impurities. Likewise. 1100 indicates minimum aluminum content of 99.00% with individual impurity control.

    2xxx through 9xxx Series

    The major alloying elements are indicated by the first digit, as follows:

    2xxx Copper

    3xxx Manganese

    4xxx Silicon

    5xxx Magnesium

    6xxx Magnesium and silicon

    7xxx Zinc

    8xxx Other element

    9xxx Unused series

    The second digit indicates alloy modification. If the second digit is zero. it indicates the original alloy: digits 1 through 9, which are assigned consecutively, indicate alloy modifications. The last two digits have no special significance, serving only to identify the different alloys in the group.

    Experimental Alloys
    Experimental alloys are designated according to the four digit system, but they are prefixed by the letter X. The prefix is dropped when the alloy becomes standard. During development, and before they are designated as experimental, new alloys are identified by serial numbers assigned by their originators. Use of the serial number is discontinued when the X number is assigned.

    ALUMINUM TEMPER DESIGNATIONS
    Temper designations of wrought aluminum alloys consist of suffixes to the numeric alloy designations. For example, in 3003-H14, 3003 denotes the alloy and “H14” denotes the temper, or degree of hardness. The temper designation also reveals the method by which the hardness was obtained. Temper designations differ between non heat-treatable alloys and heat-treatable alloys. and their meanings are given below:

    Non Heat-Treatable Alloys

    The letter “H” is always followed by 2 or 3 digits. The first digit indicates the particular method used to obtain the temper. as follows:

    — Hl means strain hardened only.

    — H2 means strain hardened, then partially annealed.

    — H3 means strain hardened, then stabilized.

    The temper is indicated by the second digit as follows:

    2 1/4 hard

    4 I/2 hard

    6 3/4 hard

    8 full hard

    9 extra hard

    Added digits indicate modification of standard practice.

    Heat-Treatable Alloys

    -F As fabricated

    -O Annealed

    -T Heat treated

    The letter “T” is always followed by one or more digits. These digits indicate the method used to produce the stable tempers, as follows:

    -T3 Solution heat treated, then cold worked.

    -T351 Solution heat treated, stress-relieved stretched, then cold worked.

    -T36 Solution heat treated, then cold worked (controlled).

    -T4 Solution heat treated, then naturally aged.

    -T451 Solution heat treated, then stress relieved stretched.

    -T5 Artificially aged only.

    -T6 Solution heat treated, then artificially aged.

    -T61 Solution heat treated (boiling water quench), then artificially aged.

    -T651 Solution heat treated, stress-relieved stretched, then artificially aged (precipitation heat treatment).

    -T652 Solution heat treated, stress relieved by compression. then artificially aged.

    -T7 Solution heat treated, then stabilized.

    -T8 Solution heat treated, cold worked, then artificially aged.
    -T81 Solution heat treated, cold worked (controlled), then artificially aged.

    -T851 Solution heat treated, cold worked, stress-relieved stretched, then artificially aged.

    -T9 Solution heat treated, artificially aged, then cold worked.

    -T10 Artificially aged, then cold worked.

    Added digits indicate modification of standard practice.


    COMPARISON OF MODERN &
    OLD SYSTEMS OF ALUMINUM ALLOY DESIGNATION
    Although the old system of aluminum identification has been obsolete for many years, stock with the old markings is still occasionally found. The following comparison is presented as an aid in identifying such materials in terms of the modern system.

    In the old system, alloy composition was indicated by a one- or two-digit number followed by the letter “S” to indicate that it was a wrought alloy, i.e., an alloy that could be shaped by rolling, drawing or forging. Any variation in the basic composition was indicated by a letter preceding the numerical alloy designation. For example, A17S was a modification of the basic alloy 17S. In modern terminology these two alloys are designated 2117S and 2017S, respectively. Temper was designated by a second letter: “O” for soft (annealed), “H”for strain hardness of non heat-treatable alloys, and “T”for hardness of heat-treatable alloys. Degree of hardness of non heat-treatable alloys was indicated by a fraction preceding the letter “H”. For example, 3S1/4H would be quarter-hard 3S alloy.

    The following Table gives examples of the old and modern designations of some common aluminum alloys.
     
  4. crick0234

    crick0234 JDBA4L JDBA Official Member

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    lol sorry zugg zugg! didnt see that (i'm in and out of meetings at work so sometimes screen dont refresh)! :ross:
     
  5. BingSoi

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    According to their website the aluminum they use is 6061-T6, which I believe is the same as what's on the squidtrainers.

    edit: They also say the knife is 5.10 oz, so who knows if that info is correct.
     
  6. FlyGuy

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    Interesting, I just asked Microtech about the aluminum on IG. They said it was hard coat military spec. I'm guessing Mil-A-8625, unless aircraft aluminum is considered hard coat military spec? I have no idea what I'm talking about. Back to studying Glenn's essay.... Either way I doubt it will crumple like a can. Hopefully the coating protects it from the dings that are so easy to get on the squid.
     
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  7. crick0234

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    hmmmm seems that info is ALL over the place. So on microtechs website, it says the handle is 6061-T6 5.10 oz, but its also elmax steel and it has a spring loaded pocket clip. The ones off of BHQ do not, and uses m390 steel.

    But BHQ also have in the specification for the aplocolypse serrated that the blade finish is "Stonewashed"... but in the description, it says the blade finish is "Apocalytic finish" - so BHQ info is not so accurate either.
     
  8. rackreal

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    As there is no holes on the blade unlike tach 2, Al tach 3 balance isn't great for flipping? However, we can always custom it(skeletonize the blade) so no problem.
    I can't wait someone make a review vid to prove its durability after a month or two. probably after a week or two.
     
  9. Ryanol

    Ryanol SnarkMasterFunkyFresh JDBA Official Member

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    It has a hard anodized finish to help but yes even with lubrication added everytime I shoot it, it does wear. It is definitely a factor. It has been more of a problem in aluminum 1911 frames feed ramps where bullets are slammed into the metal as the slide returns to battery. The feedramp on the 938 is more integrateded into the barrel(which is steel). Some manufacturers such as Ruger have even gone so far as to add a titanium insert in the feed ramp to counter this issue on their lightweight commander series of aluminum framed 1911.

    In a gun you have a cost associated with each collision so it in all intents and purposes is minimized. Some folks have a money is no object attitude towards ammo but I would bet the vast majority of firearm owners put less than say a thousand rounds through a firearm a year. A balisong tang pin probably makes contact with the handles a thousand times in the first two days of serious flipping.

    Time will tell.
     
  10. Balibuyer

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    Was curious myself. Saw it on Blade HQ, swapped over here to see what yall were saying. Few hours later said fuck it might as well get it just to see and it was gone lol
     
  11. apdallaround

    apdallaround K'inich Janaab' Pakal I JDBA Official Member

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    bladehq still has 6 stonewashed t3's in stock. you must have wanted the extra sought after serrated version:ropeman::devilroll:.
     
  12. HedaCoon

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    lol, not everybody like smooth cuts on their fingers :unintroduced: some prefer it to go through the meat grinder after the sawing :madaddy:
     
  13. KaliSong

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  14. SA8TER21

    SA8TER21 JDBA4L JDBA Official Member

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    Well I got mine in today. I'll keep updates on how it holds up. So far see handle is having a hard time moving smoothly. And they do provide the tool in it. Won't allow you to take the pocket clip off but all the other screws it will.

    The tool works but really is a pain to use but at least works. Just have to put a small screw driver in the hole push it down and turn. Idk why they couldn't have just gave us a bit for a screw driver. After turning the safe handle screw a little I can flip it now. Feels like my AA a little bit in terms of balance. Kind of neutral. Seems like the handles will hold up because of the coating on them but we will see. Swedge is super super fine like almost to the point of being sharp but not being actually sharp.
     
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  15. crick0234

    crick0234 JDBA4L JDBA Official Member

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    i agree with said tool *UGH* cannot use tool by itself... gotta find a small screwdriver/allen wrench to use properly.

    stupid triangle nut.

    edit: tool blows and is now useless. one slip and now it wont grip anymore. LAME.
     
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  16. apdallaround

    apdallaround K'inich Janaab' Pakal I JDBA Official Member

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    maybe the tool is made of butter or cheese
     
  17. Wadcutder

    Wadcutder JDBA4L JDBA Official Member

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    If you look close at the screw-head on the clip side, it is captive. You could strip the screw-head or the socket tool if you try to unfasten it there.

    [​IMG]
     
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  18. SA8TER21

    SA8TER21 JDBA4L JDBA Official Member

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    I think the tool is made of TI honestly. It isnt magnetic and is heavier then what aluminum would be at that size.
     
  19. crick0234

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    [​IMG]

    yeah, trying to do it on the side without the clip, the round side. It's that left nut there.

    and my tool......

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Glenn

    Glenn Sol Invictus Knife Maker or Craftsman

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    Just send it in, I hear their customer service rocks. :thumbsup:

    :ropeman:


    :bwah:
     

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