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Pacific cutlery identification?

ManRay Dec 3, 2017

  1. ManRay

    ManRay Average member

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    I recently purchased this pacific cutlery and i'm just wondering what model this is. I cant quite find anything like it searching google images. I've posted this on other forums but figured i would get more replies here. sorry if this is the wrong place for this mods.


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  2. tonk

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  3. ManRay

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    Its currently in the mail but i will let you know what the other side says when it arrives.
     
  4. silkworm

    silkworm Silky Devil JDBA Official Member

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    Looks like a custom shop. The patent number on the reverse will make it production. If it says Bali-Song USA it's a custom shop. Cool sheath too.
     
  5. ManRay

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    If it is a custom shop, would it have been ground by Jody Samson? Or did they have custom shop knives ground by others? Thanks for the help!
     
  6. silkworm

    silkworm Silky Devil JDBA Official Member

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    As I understand it, Les DeAsis has said, all custom shop knives were ground by Jody Samson. Mr Samson ground the blades. Others finished the knives.
     
  7. ninjastar

    ninjastar Little member JDBA Official Member

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    i have one of these Samsons. some of these are numbered on the spine as well
     
  8. ManRay

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    Am I allowed to ask for valuation? I know on certain other forums you will get your peepee slapped if you aren't careful
     
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    desmodus Cabeza Caliente Lady Devil JDBA Official Member Super Moderator Brigade Member

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    We no longer allow assessment.

    Lo siento.
     
  10. tonk

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  11. ManRay

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    That's looks pretty close. We will know tomorrow for sure.
     
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  12. nostimos

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    Looks custom (hand ground) due to the deep hollow grind.
    As stated earlier, if it says "Bali-Song USA" on the other side, it's AT LEAST from the Custom Shop.

    Wasn't it documented in an interview that Les stated Mr. Samson absolutely did ALL the Weehawks since he invented the grind?
    Isn't that the only 100% guarantee, custom weehawks all done by him?
    NOT necessarily the other grinds, however, most assume ALL customs are ground by Samson.
    and he may have very well done MOST of the other grinds as well.
    Not sure and this has been debated before.

    I wouldn't worry ManRay, although we cant give you a specific price, any custom "Bali-Song USA" in good condition or better is coveted and valuable.
    Especially with that sweet embossed leather sheath upgrade!
    I have one as well.
     
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  13. ManRay

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    I just opened the box and it does in fact say bali-song USA on the other side. The grind is crazy deep. More pics as soon as I can.
     
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  14. ManRay

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    Also, can anyone point me in the right direction for an appraisal?
     
  15. ManRay

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    Now with Moar pics.
     
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  17. gunlove

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    tonk,

    those a definitely customs in the pics for $220+, the non-customs were around $60 and the blades didn't look anything like this hand ground super hollow grind.


    Very Nice!!!!
     
  18. tonk

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    Of course its a custom every thing they made back then was, pretty sure they were the first PCC knifes ever made 79-83?
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong but was the 68 IN fact the first to be considered a production knife?
     
  19. Caffiend

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    Edit: screenshot from Benchmade's website

    Also note the nuance that the 68 is the first production "Bali-song" (insert copyright symbol here), not the first production balisong/butterfly knife, I would venture and guess that Japan imported Frost, Valor, Compass, Taylor etc have Bali-song beat by a few years, no?
     

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  20. chintofong

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    If I have seen correctly from one of your pics, just beside the butterfly logo it has the ® symbol, making it a slightly newer model. The older ones, when originally was called Bali-Song (before calling PCC), did not have the ® symbol, and the more popular blade shapes that came out of the shop had more slender/slimmer profiles, while the latter ones (from what I can distinguish from the pics) had wider shapes and a slightly noticeable recurve/belly
     

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