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I picked up these two knives in a trade what do you think

Thomas Lamb Oct 23, 2017

  1. Thomas Lamb

    Thomas Lamb Tiny Member

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    The first one is Italian I think, he said his mom gave it to him and it has been in his family a long time it looks old but no markings does anyone have any insight on this stiletto 20171022_213243.jpg 20171022_213514.jpg
    Next is this Dalton It says devil play mate on the knife and fires hard seems like the real deal but I know nothing about these knives any info would be appreciated I am not looking for value just a little insight Thanks 20171022_155613.jpg
     
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  2. gzb

    gzb SUPER Moderator* Super Moderator

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    That Dalton OTF is a 2008 Tango model.
    They came with several inscriptions including "Vegas" with a pair of dice, and the German Iron Eagle among others.

    Sorry, can't help with the Picklock...
     
  3. fastr19

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    The first is a Frosolone picklock. Most were made in the 40's. I can tell you it is valued and should be worth more than the Dalton. It is in great shape. Could almost be in a museum.
    Are there any markings at all on the blade or tang?
    Reproductions have been made.
     
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  4. ilovekittens

    ilovekittens Sailing the seas of cheese Knife Maker or Craftsman

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    Since when can you not ask for a value of a knife? Do you have to be a paying member or something? I remember when this site use to be a knife forum, sad.
    http://www.jerzeedevil.com/threads/dalton-value.82496/
    http://www.jerzeedevil.com/threads/busse-value.60460/
    http://www.jerzeedevil.com/threads/bm30-value.94942/
    http://www.jerzeedevil.com/threads/microtech-socom-da-value.166182/
    Etc, etc, etc.

    Take your :spam:and stick it in you ass.
    Now go run to Mr. LaBella :banthem:

    I suggest the original poster to google a knife forum.
     
  5. desmodus

    desmodus Arc Sodium Lady Devil JDBA Official Member Super Moderator Brigade Member

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    :(
     
  6. ratstuph

    ratstuph Hoodoo Operator Super Moderator

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    We have discouraged "what is it worth" threads for awhile; I couldn't tell you exactly when. Clearly some slip through the cracks although most you found were older. We do it to keep sneaky fuckers from attempting to bypass voodoo, and in effect holding an auction. Not sure what crawled up your ass, but if it is spam inna can I'm thinking you have greater issues than this thread. If I wanted you banned I would do it myself*.

    *edited to add: "for a whole two weeks (maybe, if that's what the software does)".
     
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  7. ilovekittens

    ilovekittens Sailing the seas of cheese Knife Maker or Craftsman

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    Yes, I do take offense, but I am in the minority, most Americans don't mind being oppressed...so basically a few slimy greasy bastards ruin it for everyone. Most people are genuinely interested in members opinions regarding value of knives they may have acquired or purchased many years ago. I'm not sure how that is not a legitimate question, open for discussion on a knife forum. Most of the time when I post a picture of a knife I get offers or asked how much I want to sell the knife for. Should the forum stop allowing pictures also? I kindly reply if the knife was for sale it would be listed in the voodoo section, so back the fuck off.

    This is the same mentality that is wrong with the world today. Oh some psycho shot up a school so lets take away everyone's firearms. Whatever man, if this is some new rule I could not find it anywhere, it might be time to add it right under the no dick pics rule. :rules:
     
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  8. ratstuph

    ratstuph Hoodoo Operator Super Moderator

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    It is the twirlers that are the usual offenders. Unfortunately we can't do something in the bali-corral that we don't do elsewhere. I am sure it gets ignored here at times. ..."that is wrong with the world today;" OK gramps. :bwah:
     
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  9. fastr19

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    It has been lost in the static but that Frosolone is still a marvelous knife.
     
  10. Thomas Lamb

    Thomas Lamb Tiny Member

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    Sorry I disappeared for a bit
    Is it really that old, The guy I bought it from said it had been in his family forever and his mom left it to him when she died Thank you for the info anything else you can share would be nice Thomas
     
  11. fastr19

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    It was probably made in the late 40's. The Frosolone style is full scales with no bolster. They also have the very small ears and like yours in brass. It really is a rare knife..
     
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    benthos.jpg
    A modern copy.
     
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  13. Thomas Lamb

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    Thank you for the reply that is good news I will hold onto it. Thomas
     
  14. fastr19

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    It's a good one. Old and rare.
     
  15. Dustygmt

    Dustygmt Tiger Snot Expert JDBA Official Member

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    Yes sir. Exactly right.
     
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    Here here
     
  17. Oldreb

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    Thomas Lamb, unstamped Frosolones such as yours can somewhat but not exactly be id'ed and aged by the traits of their construction when compared against stamped examples. As already mentioned by fastr19 ear size is one of these traits. Another key trait (in my opinion) is the shape/style of the lock tab. Other traits to be considered are the overall shape/design of the bottom end of the scales ( roundness, amount of flaring ) button size and placement on the scales - material used to make the top bolster (brass vs nickel silver) and the presence of a bail. The two pictures you provided are very helpful but could be bolstered by the addition of close up pictures showing the lock tab and complete back spring, close up of the front side of the blade, a view looking down into the well of the knife that shows the liner and a view of the back scale. The overall length (blade open) of the knife is also always of interest You have a very fine Frosolone that looks to be in most excellent condition. Congrats !!

    Wayne
     
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  18. crogers

    crogers Magnus advocatus diaboli Brigade Member

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    Hi Wayne,

    We're glad that you are eager to participate in our beloved forum, butt* we DO require that EVERYONE post an introduction before anything else. I notice that you have failed to do so.

    Please go to the Testing the Waters. New member introductions forum at http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/testing-the-waters-new-member-introductions.34/ and tell us a little about yourself.

    Otherwise, :2ful:
     
  19. Thomas Lamb

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    Here are the Pics you requested Wayne 20180603_145755.jpg 20180603_145659.jpg 20180603_145558.jpg 20180603_145538.jpg 20180603_145514.jpg 20180603_145457.jpg
     
  20. Oldreb

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    Thomas, thanks for the additional pictures. First off I want you to understand that I am not a Frosolone expert but I do own a right good many and have looked at more owned by other collectors. Any opinions I offer are mine and should not be considered as absolute fact. Because of the way these knives were made (each handmade) there is a good bit of variability knife to knife even in the same house depending on who the cutler actually was. Each house had it's own basic style but each cutler had his own style within that style and that changed as time went along as well. No two knives are exactly the same. Without any stamping absolute ID is and will remain impossible. I have been looking at your pictures and doing a lot of comparing. Based on the traits I can see (in hand comparison is always better) I am able to rule out some cutlery houses and have narrowed it down to two houses that in my opinion look like where it possibly came from. One house being Bautto and the other being Piscitelli. Of the two I tend to lean just a bit more towards your knife being a Bautto. It is a pre WW2 knife made I think in the 1930's. The blade looks to have been sharpened some and the entire knife appears to have been cleaned a bit. The safety has a short throw and is set low on the handle which I find interesting. The liner is steel -- as are the pins. The bolster and buttons are brass. Hope this helps.

    Wayne
     
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