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    Even pay one day late in some cases and they will bump that interest rate to a level that you didn't even realize was legal. You'd think that 28% on a consumer credit card would be considered "usurious" in the legal sense of exorbitant beyond reason. But, the laws do a better job of protecting people with money than people with debt in many cases.

    Unless you've ruined your credit, there's usually ways of changing accounts around to get lower rates.

    Years ago - I was older than you are now - I got into serious credit trouble. Here's how it went down:

    You owe some money, but think you're okay. You get offers in the mail for more credit every day. One day you notice that you've got this great offer where you can get more credit at a lower rate. You transfer your balances, but leave the account that you cleaned up open. You spend a little more money that you don't have here and there, on both accounts. Pretty soon you take out another new account at an even better rate, but you don't close either of the other accounts. Now, you have a shitload of available credit. You have a couple of small emergencies, or you spend too much on gifts at Christmas.

    Now, you're paying out so much per month just to keep up with interest, that you aren't paying anything off. Maybe you have a bump in the road at work, and you make a little less money. You begin to pay your bills a little slower than you used to. You miss a payment or you're late. Your interest rates skyrocket, and now you can't even make the "minimum" payment comfortably.

    Tons of people get into this situation. The consumer credit industry - at least the segment of it that specializes in sending out those low rate/high penalty offers doesn't care. They automatically assume that they will eventually write off about 2% of what they lend. They use these predatory practices to enable them to collect interest at rates like 28% on a portion of what they lend, and they write off a certain amount of what is owed to them each year.

    Of course, they'd love it if they could just keep collecting the high rates, but it's like a cycle of business that is pretty much statistically inevitable, and they know how to work it to maximize their return and milk each customer for all they are worth.

    Your goal as a credit consumer should be to eventually get to where you can use your credit cards ONLY for purchases you can pay off before interest comes due. That's a really hard goal for most people, but it is possible.

    You should not be carrying debt over from month to month except for the debts on which the interest is tax deductible, and which is capped at a maximum rate - other than maybe car payments. I'm not saying that everyone should be doing that right now... I am saying it is a good goal to have.

    Very few people can continue to carry over a significant amount of credit card debt each month without eventually sliding deeper into it. When you start using one source of credit to "temporarily" pay down the other, it's a warning sign. At first it seems like you can "float" debt by constantly shifting the debt from one source to another, and by doing so quickly enough that you are always paying it before the interest is due.

    Example: if you had 4 credit cards, each of which allows you 28 days at no interest, it seems like if you constantly rotated the debt among them at 15 day intervals, you'd never owe interest.

    But, it never works out that way. It's real easy to let the debt build up slowly, and to then make little exceptions for stuff that pops up. Car repairs. A wedding gift. That "really good deal that you can't pass up." There are so many things that come up that we think we shouldn't pass up, or that "we deserve," or that "well, we can make this exception and make up for it in the near future by scrimping a little."

    Then, one day, you find that you are at the end of the rope. You can't scrimp any more, and the interest each month is all you can afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_White View Post
    You just want me to sit down so you can look me in the eye when you're standing next to me

    You mean lay down, word is you guys were bed buddies in a previous life.

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    Mike, you hit the nail on the head. Like I posted, I used to squeeze a nickel and was tight fisted. Then I discovered the joys of buying on the internet. All my fault, but about a quarter of what I now owe is just built up interest. When I get this cleared up, hopefully in about a year, I will just use my card for emergencies and those online purchases for which I absolutely cannot pay for with Paypal or a money order. Believe me, I do not foresee using a credit card again for some time. I still have open lines of credit, and don't foresee them cutting my limits, but I foresee some spartan changes when I'm back on track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_White View Post
    You just want me to sit down so you can look me in the eye when you're standing next to me

    9 posts and already talkin shit ? who the fuck do you think U R?



















    Me ??

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    what we need is more s

    *NOT!*

    Frank_White will probably be seeing the door SOON if things dont shape up



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    I found myself about 45k in debt & juggling bills each payday to pick which ones to pay. I was always able to keep my credit ratings good, as I didn't miss payments, or fall behind & send them in late, but I was at the point that if I dropped a bill during the juggle, I was going to find myself in serious trouble. The minimum payments didn't help, I kept getting further in debt.

    A guy at work kept talking about how he was almost out of debt & how this company was helping him out. I took the number & stashed it away, after about six months I finally took it out & called them. It was the smartest thing I have done in a long while. They called all my creditors & negotiated my interest rates down from 19 -25% to 9-14%, & got them to kill certain fees & other extra service charges. I have been on this program for over 3 years now & will be completely out of debt in the next year & a half. They electronically debit my account each month, & distribute the money to each of my creditors. They do this for a $20 a month service fee. Hell, the stamps alone that I was putting on the envelopes to send out the bills covered a quarter of that easily, & now I don't have to send out shit, I just have to make sure that the money is there when they are scheduled to deduct it. My payments are lower & more of my money is going toward paying off the debt, instead of into the void. I still get my bills every month, but the payments are being made & the bottom line grows smaller now, instead of larger.....

    I wish I would have called them earlier. If I would have continued on my own, I would not only owe even more, than I did, but I would bet that my credit rating would be totally fucked up, by now ......

    If you are serious about getting yourself out of debt, PM or email me & I'll send you their name, & number.....
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    ... but beware of "credit counseling services." There are some good ones and some bad ones. Do your home work if you decide you need to go talk to them. Some of them are good, some are scam artists. The higher the profile, the less likely they are to really help you.

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    I have no other experience to go by, but what I have gone through with this company. I probably wouldn't have called them, except a friend I respect at work recommended them. I guess I got lucky & didn't get screwed by one of the bad ones you mentioned.

    All I know is a 45k debt is now down to 15k and getting smaller every month..... Also, in about a year & a half, I'll be debt free, & get a $1000 a month raise, by not having to pay those credit card bastards any longer, I'll get to keep the money I'm shelling out now.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Mabuse View Post
    debt bad... blow good...
    I loved that movie! Not so good in real life but I still love hooker$
    Last edited by Guillermo; 01-05-2007 at 10:06 PM.

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    Oh, yeah pcp... I didn't mean to say they are all bad. I'm glad your experience was good! But, like any business, there are some who prey on people's trust and desperation to make things right again.

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    Well, I am going to try to do it on my own, thanks for the suggestion for the credit counseling service. I just don't have anything that they could take from me.

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    Keep at it

    Good Luck, digging out of a hole is tough, but when you get out it is VERY rewarding. I too have a nice one to get out of, and this should be an interesting year! There is light at the end of the tunnel, and with luck, it is not a locomotive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by field View Post
    Good Luck, digging out of a hole is tough, but when you get out it is VERY rewarding. I too have a nice one to get out of, and this should be an interesting year! There is light at the end of the tunnel, and with luck, it is not a locomotive.
    I've figured out that if we get overtime, and I can commit to about 20hours of overtime per week, I can comfortably get rid of this by this time next year. Without overtime, it all depends on the war and Congress, I would have to pick up a second job. I have too much damn free time as it is, but I would like to get some overtime back. A promotion and award wouldn't be too bad either . Spending too much time on here might hinder me there, so...

    But I really need to pick up a craft trade. I've been thinking about what I could do on the side. Male model!

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    Man, am I astonished. I have lately begun holding onto money tight. Found out that I have been spending on average per week about one hundred bucks on fuel alone to get back and forth from work. Thats just back and forth. My truck gets about 17 MPG, and the round trip is about 80 miles, give or take a few feet.

    I also found out that I was averaging about a hundred bucks per week on food. Not groceries, just eating breakfast and lunch out, during the workweek.

    So, I have forced myself (it's hard for us fatties ) to eat breakfast at home, and to take my lunch in. I'm so used to eating out that it has been hard for me to change, but I have done it. Smaller portions too. Breakfast now consists of one egg sandwich or oatmeal or cereal. Lunch has been a little bit trickier, but I have been bringing it in with me every other day at least, and getting a 4 buck salad on the days I don't bring it.

    I've also started carpooling, which I hate to do, but it saves on gas and wear on my truck. One day my hoopdee, the next my friends. We live in the same area, and work in the same area, so, advantageous to all. Also, she ain't bad to ride in with. Friday is the only day I don't carpool, I usually have a hundred and eleven things going on. But all that money a month on food and gas just knocked me over. So, hopefully, my weight will decrease, while my wallet increases.

    That knocks me down to a grocery bill of just stuff for work. One 24 pk of water per week, about 4 bucks. One three pack of Orbit gum, about 2 bucks. Two four packs of flavored waters per week, about 4 bucks. One 8 pack of crackers per week, about two bucks. My lunch usually consists of either frozen meals or leftovers.

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