Unhappiness removed from happy new gun thread....

[siriusaudio]

Maybe because she wants you to have a Leupold Scope on top of it.

Why a scope?

Put an aimpoint PRO on that sucker, drop the broom handle from the rail, and get shooting.

You will find that you can handle recoil and muzzle rise better with an extended grip on the front of the rail versus having that vertical fort grip. It is also more comfortable after a long day of shooting.

And you can prone out better without it on.

[Tony8179]

Why a scope?

Put an aimpoint PRO on that sucker, drop the broom handle from the rail, and get shooting.

You will find that you can handle recoil and muzzle rise better with an extended grip on the front of the rail versus having that vertical fort grip. It is also more comfortable after a long day of shooting.

And you can prone out better without it on.

But what if he prefers a scope and a vert grip? We all don't shoot the same way and enjoy the same accessories. What works for you doesn't necessarily work for others.

[siriusaudio]

But what if he prefers a scope and a vert grip? We all don't shoot the same way and enjoy the same accessories. What works for you doesn't necessarily work for others.

A scope on a 16" carbine upper with that particular setup would be overkill. Terminal ballistics out of that rifle means the bullet drop gets pretty steep past 100 yards. The DD M4 is a CQB to intermediate distance fighting rifle not well suited to SPR or varminting use.

As far as the VFG comments go, it has pretty much been found that the cons outweigh the pros. Your stance and ergonomics are typically non-optimal using them. As I stated before, muzzle rise and movement are better managed using an extended support arm grip and you get less fatigue as well. These are my personal observations as well as those of many instructors in the training community. More and more professional combat instructors shooters are recommending against the full hand use of a VFG and advising people to use the MAGPUL AFG, a stubby VFG as a hand stop, or just use the rail space and get good arm extension and a good grip with the thumb of the support hand usually winding up along the top of the rail.

Also, since it is his first AR, I would recommend leaving it as it is now, put about 500 rounds through it, and then take a two day carbine course from any of the good trainers. EAG tactical, Tactical response, Pat Macnamara, Northern Red, Larry Vickers, Kyle Defroor and many more nationally known and recognized trainers all come to Texas regularly. Paul Hotalig just founded Alias Training after leaving Grey Group. There is a state of flux with some of the people I mentioned possibly moving from Grey Gruop to Alias (EAG and Tactical Response are not part of either group and stand as their own companies), but that should settle out soon enough.

My point is that you should learn how to really run the gun and then start thinking about what you want to put on it. And the only way to learn how is to get proper professional training (unless you were a part of a their one military unit, prior military instruction is not sufficient)

[Tony8179]

A scope on a 16" carbine upper with that particular setup would be overkill. Terminal ballistics out of that rifle means the bullet drop gets pretty steep past 100 yards. The DD M4 is a CQB to intermediate distance fighting rifle not well suited to SPR or varminting use.

As far as the VFG comments go, it has pretty much been found that the cons outweigh the pros. Your stance and ergonomics are typically non-optimal using them. As I stated before, muzzle rise and movement are better managed using an extended support arm grip and you get less fatigue as well. These are my personal observations as well as those of many instructors in the training community. More and more professional combat instructors shooters are recommending against the full hand use of a VFG and advising people to use the MAGPUL AFG, a stubby VFG as a hand stop, or just use the rail space and get good arm extension and a good grip with the thumb of the support hand usually winding up along the top of the rail.

Also, since it is his first AR, I would recommend leaving it as it is now, put about 500 rounds through it, and then take a two day carbine course from any of the good trainers. EAG tactical, Tactical response, Pat Macnamara, Northern Red, Larry Vickers, Kyle Defroor and many more nationally known and recognized trainers all come to Texas regularly. Paul Hotalig just founded Alias Training after leaving Grey Group. There is a state of flux with some of the people I mentioned possibly moving from Grey Gruop to Alias (EAG and Tactical Response are not part of either group and stand as their own companies), but that should settle out soon enough.

My point is that you should learn how to really run the gun and then start thinking about what you want to put on it. And the only way to learn how is to get proper professional training (unless you were a part of a their one military unit, prior military instruction is not sufficient)

Once again, what may work for you or the even the pros may not work for others. All these findings are by individuals who are giving their opinion on what works for them. If they are teaching someone else how to shoot exactly like them then these findings are relevant, but to someone who has different preferences, myself included, these findings may mean absolutely jack squat. I'm not trying to learn the newest and latest in shooting methods or styles and I don't need to take tactical training courses. I don't need to spend $$$ on training because I don't plan on running obstacle courses with my rifle, I don't plan on being a part of any suburban warfare, and I don't think I'm going to be in a running and gunning situation anytime in my life. The pros may have it figured out when it comes to intensive training, defensive training, or whatever,but I go to the range, set my stuff up, punch holes in paper, and knock over some bowling pins. I prefer a vert grip and some kind of magnified optic.

[CDR_Glock]

Why a scope?

Put an aimpoint PRO on that sucker, drop the broom handle from the rail, and get shooting.

You will find that you can handle recoil and muzzle rise better with an extended grip on the front of the rail versus having that vertical fort grip. It is also more comfortable after a long day of shooting.

And you can prone out better without it on.

It was a joke. You know. We always want more than we already have, right?

Anyways. Nice AR.

[Parker]

A scope on a 16" carbine upper with that particular setup would be overkill. Terminal ballistics out of that rifle means the bullet drop gets pretty steep past 100 yards. The DD M4 is a CQB to intermediate distance fighting rifle not well suited to SPR or varminting use.

As far as the VFG comments go, it has pretty much been found that the cons outweigh the pros. Your stance and ergonomics are typically non-optimal using them. As I stated before, muzzle rise and movement are better managed using an extended support arm grip and you get less fatigue as well. These are my personal observations as well as those of many instructors in the training community. More and more professional combat instructors shooters are recommending against the full hand use of a VFG and advising people to use the MAGPUL AFG, a stubby VFG as a hand stop, or just use the rail space and get good arm extension and a good grip with the thumb of the support hand usually winding up along the top of the rail.

Also, since it is his first AR, I would recommend leaving it as it is now, put about 500 rounds through it, and then take a two day carbine course from any of the good trainers. EAG tactical, Tactical response, Pat Macnamara, Northern Red, Larry Vickers, Kyle Defroor and many more nationally known and recognized trainers all come to Texas regularly. Paul Hotalig just founded Alias Training after leaving Grey Group. There is a state of flux with some of the people I mentioned possibly moving from Grey Gruop to Alias (EAG and Tactical Response are not part of either group and stand as their own companies), but that should settle out soon enough.

My point is that you should learn how to really run the gun and then start thinking about what you want to put on it. And the only way to learn how is to get proper professional training (unless you were a part of a their one military unit, prior military instruction is not sufficient)

Quoted for being an armchair warrior.

Fucking ninja.

I read this thread just to see how many posts you'd put up in here. I'm stunned that there are so few of them.

But you don't disappoint at all. Wall of text, lots of names quoted.

I guess we all have to ask - are you from some Tier 1 outfit or not? If not, and you're not a qualified trainer, or one he asked for advice anyway, how about this - shut the fuck up for once, stop gibbering what they told you last week on the internet and for god's sake quit throwing out names like you're some sort of secret squirrel on crank. Let the guy enjoy his new AR without your Internet Expert credentials shitting it up.



Rgepting, I'm sorry for derailing this a little - that's a great rifle and you're gonna have fun with it. My first AR experience was with an LWRC 12-inch select fire and lemme tell you, it was all I needed to remind me I need to buy an AR one of these days.

Call the guys at Optics Planet, talk with Trevor, tell him Parker told you to call and tell him what you wanna do with the rifle. Trevor's the man there for glass of any sort, he'll hook you up with great kit. And tell him I still owe him and the boys a couple pints.

Parker

[siriusaudio]

Hey Parker, why don't you just put me back on ignore and be happy?

Or, fuck off.

[Parker]

Hey Parker, why don't you just put me back on ignore and be happy?

Or, fuck off.

I'll bet you start calling me a bully soon too.....

You ARE on Ignore. It keeps the Signal-To-Noise ratio considerably higher around here.

But I do see how many posts you manage to scribble in here. And today is your lucky day. I read your posts, and it's right back to that shit you were posting about Officer Involved Shootings. So we're clear, you're NOT a cop, right? Not active duty or retired military? Not some sort of PMC who's done 8 missions with Xe in A-Stan?

Mike managed to convey to you nicely that your opinion is not relevant. Not at all.

Particularly when you wanna shit all over someone's Happy Birthday to himself.

I suppose Mike does not know what he's talking about either. That is what you were trying to convey, right? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE confirm that for us, and you're gonna further seal the deal here.

Tell ya what, Chubby. The moment you actually ARE some sort of trainer, the moment you actually HAVE done some of this action hero bullshit you regurgitate here on your own, you'll become relevant to all this garbage you cut and paste in here.

Until that time, you're another Internet Self-Delusional Hero. You're the Jerzee Devilz' own Richard Jewell, only he actually DID find a bomb at the Olympics.

How's THAT for Fuck You?

So whadya say Princess, care to comment?



Dear Rgepting, once again we return you to your regularly scheduled posting and damn, this is really wanting me to go spend a few bucks on an AR type rifle soon. I SHOULD have Lasik done instead, but what the hell....

Now go shoot that thing and tell us what you think of it as an active tool!

[siriusaudio]

I'll bet you start calling me a bully soon too.....

You ARE on Ignore. It keeps the Signal-To-Noise ratio considerably higher around here.

But I do see how many posts you manage to scribble in here. And today is your lucky day. I read your posts, and it's right back to that shit you were posting about Officer Involved Shootings. So we're clear, you're NOT a cop, right? Not active duty or retired military? Not some sort of PMC who's done 8 missions with Xe in A-Stan?

Mike managed to convey to you nicely that your opinion is not relevant. Not at all.

Particularly when you wanna shit all over someone's Happy Birthday to himself.

I suppose Mike does not know what he's talking about either. That is what you were trying to convey, right? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE confirm that for us, and you're gonna further seal the deal here.

Tell ya what, Chubby. The moment you actually ARE some sort of trainer, the moment you actually HAVE done some of this action hero bullshit you regurgitate here on your own, you'll become relevant to all this garbage you cut and paste in here.

Until that time, you're another Internet Self-Delusional Hero. You're the Jerzee Devilz' own Richard Jewell, only he actually DID find a bomb at the Olympics.

How's THAT for Fuck You?

So whadya say Princess, care to comment?



Dear Rgepting, once again we return you to your regularly scheduled posting and damn, this is really wanting me to go spend a few bucks on an AR type rifle soon. I SHOULD have Lasik done instead, but what the hell....

Now go shoot that thing and tell us what you think of it as an active tool!

Lest we forget, you are a Subject Matter Expert in EVERYTHING.

You are as big of an overbearing dick as you claim me to be.

And Chubby? Really? So, I've got a little extra weight. Meh. I'm losing it. Do better, fuck face.

[stdlrf11]

Lest we forget, you are a Subject Matter Expert in EVERYTHING.

You are as big of an overbearing dick as you claim me to be.

And Chubby? Really? So, I've got a little extra weight. Meh. I'm losing it. Do better, fuck face.

Quoted.

I really love the "subject matter expert" part.

[M.Olexey]

16" AR's can absolutely benefit from a good scope. They can produce sub MOA groups easily out to 500 yards (maybe further, just going on my own experience). Even if you move that in to 300 yards there is a lot of sport type use that can benefit from a magnified optic and the AR fills these roles well even in a 16" barrel length. That said I currently have an Aimpoint Micro H1 on mine and I really like it.


Vert foregrips? I mount mine on the side rail and shoot from the hip. Yeehaw!






Shirtless! bitches! The recoil makes my man boobs jiggle

[OnceBitten]

Vert foregrips? I mount mine on the side rail and shoot from the hip. Yeehaw!






Shirtless! bitches! The recoil makes my man boobs jiggle

Fuck Stallone.....


Texas is RaMOBo Country.

[Amotek]

Babosos, y payasos, y culeros, coma verga!!!

[Stabber]

Get a scope set for 223 w/ BDC

[Parker]

Lest we forget, you are a Subject Matter Expert in EVERYTHING.

You are as big of an overbearing dick as you claim me to be.

And Chubby? Really? So, I've got a little extra weight. Meh. I'm losing it. Do better, fuck face.

Red rep, really?

Gods, you're a whiner. You're Phill Elmore all over again, only without the beard. He was pudgy and an expert on all things warry too. He on-upped you, as a yellow belt he authored a book called Street Sword and NOBODY was going to disrespect him, no fucking way. You better do a YouTube vid or something, like right now. Today if possible.

And he red-repped me too if I recall right, then started a thread about being bullied. But I noted that as we continued to go at it, like yours, his posts got smaller and smaller. It's what happens when the verbal diarrhea you both offer is condensed to it's purest form.


Since you've managed to convey yourself as one of the most obvious Village Idiots we've had at the JD at some time, I've compiled a few items for you which SHOULD allow you to enhance your life experience, not solely at the DevL, but on a far grander scheme. This is done solely out of kindness versus any sort of malice, so don't get your panties all wadded and soiled over this.

1) As a cardinal rule of being an adult - Don't snivel about your problems all over the place be it being fired from Motorola because they don't need a know-it-all telling them how to do their business to your constant gibberish about "get off the X" to your expertise in every field you've been temporarily employed being unwanted. We've already done Emo-Wolf here and he was at least entertaining. The tiny hook business was fun, but in reality, it's also sad. Also, you're kinda living in the trailer on the edge of the property as I understand it.

2) The poodle farming thread was aimed at you. I actually wanted to see if you'd bite. There was a bet that I shoulda just thrown in AR15 in that thread and you'd have been all over it, telling us about your time as a tactical dog expert. I guess you'd not worked at a vet's office for three weeks in high school and as such did not have the bona fides for that, but never fear - the internet could provide that for you as well. It seems to provide the rest of your expertise.

There are a few lessons in there if you'd care to find them.

3) It was noted that your electrical expertise as offered was going to start a fire. Please hire a professional. How you've jacked things together and gotten lucky should not be confused with the correct way to do them. Also a few lessons in that.


See, I've done more than a couple things of note in my life, of my own effort, sweat, and experience. If I offer you or anyone here an insight, it tends to be out of first-hand experience, good, bad or otherwise.

I've also had my failures and made plenty of mistakes. I LEARN from them, even make the effort NOT to repeat those same mistakes. Even this morning, while you're busy being ass-hurt and sending out whiny rep points, I was sorting out potential issues which will prevent longer-term problems, either ongoing or new. And what's neater, I used lessons from prior experience, my own, as well as what I read on the internet, to resolve these issues.

Get your own house sorted, Kitten and we'll talk. Get divorced, get laid, go gay, get whatever it is that's driving you to this insanity of yours sorted out. I'll tell you that getting laid or divorced are two biggies which are often overlooked. But they do take a certain amount of personal courage as opposed to being an Internet Expert.

But to be clear and circle back, the best you offer is a Red Rep? What's that worth, maybe a negative 40? I'll live with it, Chubby. Give me a mailing address and I'll send you a couple tubes of DevL-Strength Vagisil.

When you want to talk about getting your shit together, I'll be here. I'll even give you good, solid PROVEN advice. Until then, you're still noise in the signal.