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    5 "Mid-tech" Knives Review

    Kay so I have amassed what years ago, I never thought I'd get. I have all 5 of the knives I called grails at one point in time.

    I want to share my thoughts on all these and hopefully they'll serve as sort of a guideline if you're shopping for that grail knife. I'm not rich, it took a shit ton of work and trading to build up to this. Half of these I already gotta ship out to good boys and girls around the world because my budget doesn't allow for ALL of these.





    CRK Sebenza Large 21
    CRK Umnumzaan
    Strider SnG DGG
    Hinderer XM-18
    Spyderco Military (my first grail)

    Sebenza:

    I love this knife, it's lockup is the standard by which most other knife makers both factory and custom could hope to acheive. It's bank vault, meaning no play in any direction, and it holds up to this even after a decade of carry. I know an old friend who has an original "P" Sebenza from 1998 which has never seen spa service of any sort.

    Pros:
    It's sharp
    Ultimate blade profile for cutting
    Lockup, both in precision and in longevity
    Clean looking
    Smooooooooth

    Cons:
    Slow to deploy
    Not lefty friendly at all, requires a lefty specific knife which you can wait months to get
    Requires anal retentive cleaning and lubrication to maintain action

    Umnumzaan:

    Lets face it. It's a tactical Sebenza that caters to the more rugged of men. The kind who buys those roasted chickens and eats it with his knife and bare hands. It's looser in tolerances, but you wouldn't know based on lockup. Instead of a bushing pivot, it has a beefy traditional pivot. The lockup is not a true framelock, it uses a ceramic ball as the lock to tang interface. It's got a badass glass breaker and the jimping is chunky, yet smooth. Theres even a semi sharp swedge for assisting with poking holes in bad guys with. It CAN be flicked open. That already is why I sell Sebenzas all the time, but only in emergencies will I not have an Umnumzaan on me as my high-end carry.

    Pros:
    It's faster than the Sebenza
    Action so smooth, it's like glass
    Quiet opening, it's a big framelock, but no clack on deployment
    Cutout on the top of the blade for thumb when choking up

    Cons:
    The shit is hard to open and close until you develop a technique. Try getting caught in some rope on a fishing trip and handing this knife to your wife to save your ass... shits not gonna happen.

    No bushing, yes it can be at the mercy of pivot tension just like any other knife. It can be adjusted to hand tight without the special tool and not have any play though.

    Aesthetically awkward looking. Not my first choice if I had to draw a badass knife

    Glass breaker is fairly difficult to use

    Strider SnG DGG

    The most expensive of the SnG family. It's got golf ball dimples. It looks better than it feels. I buy Strider time and time again for the warranty. UPS lost 2/3 of my knives.. Strider replaced them at their cost and made sure UPS is ALSO sending me a check. Fuckin' badass.

    As a knife it doesn't have any flaws. It cuts stuff and it's tough. Almost everything on the knife exists to enhance it's durability. It comes at a cost because with durability factored in, you start to lose precision and the lockup is no better than your run of the mill BM or Spydie.

    I chose to have one just because I don't care about frills. I don't like cleaning, the knife doesn't even break down without a specialized spanner wrench and it doesn't need to be. I've literally dropped this knife in a pot of chili, rinsed it in water, and it was good to go. I think if that happened to my Sebenzas, I'd never look at them the same again.

    The ultimate reason I have one is just because I like to be different. It's not as precise as a Sebenza, but I'll admit I bought into the kool-aid on this one. I've owned about 8 of these and every one of them makes me giggle like a girl when I whip it out to cut shit with it.

    Pros:
    You could basically "accidently" blow this knife up and they'd fix it for you on their dime pretty much.
    Theres a forum of super-best-friends who like to wear green that you get to hang out.
    They're tough than anything else out there

    Cons:
    "Borrowed" technology
    Not what I call $400 lockup borrowed from Chris Reeve
    Lockup does require tuning to maintain "bank vault" if you need it, which Strider will gladly oblige

    Hinderer XM-18

    Most people assume this is "The Daddy" of midtech. It's actually just another brand with it's own reputation. They're not super rare, a lot of them are made for a certain audience of everyday superheroes like EMT/Fire/LEO. You get carded when you buy one and aside from that, it's 3 weeks until you get yours.

    It's FAST too. I swear the knife rides on bearings every time I get one, nope just precision built with teflon washers.

    It's chunky, industrial, and built with the toughness of a Strider and the precision of the CRK, but is uglier than both in my opinion. It's faster than the CRK in deployment, yet could possibly be as tough as the Strider while maintaining "bank vault" for years to come.

    Pros:
    Pretty much everything
    Tough
    Satisfies the ego
    Looks non menacing
    Rick Hinderer is an everyday superhero doing knives for others like him
    Fast deployment
    *Cheap (if you're EMT/Fire/LEO, it's like $350-$450 for the range)

    Cons:
    You can't get one unless you save people and have a massive penis
    (Props to everybody who serves, regardless of their dayjob)
    I personally think they're ugly
    Expensive as shit to get 2ndhand (think $750-900)

    Spyderco Military

    Fuck. I don't know why I like this one so much. It does everything, costs $120, and has a lifetime warranty by one of the most beloved knife brands in the industry. Tell me why a Strider or Sebenza is better, and I'll tell you that I probably don't use my knife for that purpose anyway.

    Spyderco brings exotic steels like CPM-S30V, Carpenter's steels, and other stuff you don't care to hear me talk about to the everyday working man for a price that you probably spend at the bar anyway. Thats a win-win scenario, so Spyderco gets honorary mention in the elite 5.

    Pros:
    Slices better than all the above
    Warranty is borderline no-questions-asked
    Fast deployment
    Easy closing
    Relatively cheap
    Ergos are rock solid

    Cons:
    I would not use this to pry staples
    Tip down carry
    You don't get too many e-props for having one of these

    Anyway thanks for reading my review, hope it was at least entertaining.

    There is ONE knife I would like to throw into the mix which I think has the potential to beat all these, which is the Les George VECP. Hit me up if you can loan/sell me one yo.
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    cool review

    You must have a massive penis or saved someone being you have a XM18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stabber View Post
    cool review

    You must have a massive penis or saved someone being you have a XM18
    Nah I landed a Marathon GSAR watch for one of my friends who is an EMT. He always saw them and could never get one so I did the good thing and he just offered me his next Hinderer order.

    Thanks mang, do you actually own that MT bali?
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    Excellent review Chris, having never owned, just handled the "trifecta" (glad you mentioned the sebenza cleaning- very true) and edcing a military for years, I agree 100%....although I just got a microtech socom elite and I think its more than a worthy advisary to those knives....if you get the chance get one, you wont be dissapointed.
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    Great review. Thanks. I agree with everything, save for the XM-18 as I've never owned one. YET...
    All of this is just advise. You go out and do whatever the FUCK you wanna do

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    Quote Originally Posted by WuYen View Post
    Excellent review Chris, having never owned, just handled the "trifecta" (glad you mentioned the sebenza cleaning- very true) and edcing a military for years, I agree 100%....although I just got a microtech socom elite and I think its more than a worthy advisary to those knives....if you get the chance get one, you wont be dissapointed.
    I'll give that a try soon then, they're always up for sale

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis B. View Post
    Great review. Thanks. I agree with everything, save for the XM-18 as I've never owned one. YET...
    The XM-18 is speed, precision, and toughness in one package. This "slicer" grind is really amazing and puts my other knives to shame
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    Nice review, the Sng DGG has to be my Grail.

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    Great review. I am scratching my head tho. I find the hinderer to be the tough knife with great cs. The striders I look at and borrow all seem sloppy. Ive heard complaints about their cs glad to hear your good experience. I've got a buddy with about 35 of them. I do like the flamed versions.

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    I think John W Smith knives are excellent for the money and you can get a custom handmade knife for the price and they aren't TOO hard to find.

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    Great review. I've had most of these but still waiting to get some flavor of Hinderer knife. I'm not trying to hijack this but I bought a Jim Burke production Runt and have a Rockstar production on the way. I was told that they are mostly CNC work and probably are. But they are really well made with great fit and finish.

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    Great reviews, that Umnumzaan is pretty badass
    I used to be a total shit bag, I'm sorry

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    agreed on the review. I have owned all but the Hinderer. Based solely off of its nasty looks.

    Out of all of them the one that has stayed and is still carried is the Military.

    I have had one since the CPM440V days.

    Will carry one until I find something I like better...(good luck)

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    Great review!

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    I've never owned a Hinderer , but other than that , I'd say you were spot on .

    Chris

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    Well done and a good read!

    Re the George VECP: It's a really fine folder and good competition for the likes of the Zaan.
    Last edited by flash900; 11-06-2012 at 01:58 PM.

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