Alleged militia leader sentenced...

[fulloflead]

Alleged militia leader sentenced

Survivalist allegedly believes end of world is near



ERIE, Pennsylvania (AP) -- An alleged militia leader who authorities claimed built a bunker on his land and stockpiled weapons for a showdown with federal agents was sentenced to nearly three years in prison.

George Bilunka, 60, pleaded guilty in August to possessing unregistered firearms -- two homemade land mines, a modified rifle and a homemade machine gun.

He also acknowledged that he and another alleged militia leader sold a copy of a Sten gun -- a British-made World War II 9 mm machine gun -- to an undercover federal agent for $300.

On Monday, a federal judge sentenced Bilunka to nearly three years in prison, saying it could have been disastrous if someone happened upon the weapons Bilunka kept at his home.

"I can't imagine anything worse," U.S. District Judge Maurice B. Cohill Jr. said.

Bilunka also was sentenced to serve three years of supervised release when he leaves prison.

Federal prosecutors said Bilunka is the self-proclaimed leader of a militia called the Christian American Patriots Survivalists, who believe that the end of the world is near.

Bilunka built a bunker on his land, about 70 miles north of Pittsburgh, and filled it with six months of food and supplies, federal prosecutors said. He also had about 60 legally owned guns at his home and trained his group to kill SWAT officers, prosecutors said.
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What do you guys make of this?
I was like, "So what. Leave him alone.", until I got to the part about...

"Federal prosecutors said Bilunka is the self-proclaimed leader of a militia called the Christian American Patriots Survivalists, who believe that the end of the world is near."

...which I find particularly creepy, but I figure - Hey, different strokes for different folks.

[fulloflead]

Actually, now that I think of it...

I'm glad he's locked up. I think he fits into the catagory of
"Nothing good can come of this." character.

[007]

If all he did was stockpile food and weapons, they should have left him alone. Selling a Sten to a cop shouldn't be a crime. Aren't they allowed to have submachine guns? :devil:

[Wolfgang]

Most of what he was nailed for he didn't deserve to be punished for... but his obvious religious fundamentalist views I DO NOT support, that militia isn't your typical one.

[fulloflead]

that militia isn't your typical one.

Exactly. One of the reasons I would have voted the guy off the island. The word "militia" is thrown around willy-nilly in the press too much as it is.

I'm sure if the police raided my apartment they'd find "an arsonal". (I like sixguns, so I wonder how that would work.)

[007]

Hehehe, the liberal antipathy for religion never ceases to amuse me. As if they didn't have their own dogma.

Waitaminnit, that explains it, doesn't it.

[TheBadGuy]

I think the media has the power to make this guy seem like a looney when chances are he isn't. I say this was a set up by big brother. :dammit: :poke: :gramps:

[Wolfgang]

Hehehe, the liberal antipathy for religion never ceases to amuse me. As if they didn't have their own dogma.

Waitaminnit, that explains it, doesn't it.

First, I'm not a fucking liberal. liberals are full of shit, but so are conservatives. But look at it this way, perhaps this guy in the article above wasn't as religiously extreme as the media made him out to be. The government lies a lot, the media does so more then the government.

I put christian fundamentalists in the same category as islamic fundamentalists, they accept nothing but their own beliefs, and want to kill anyone who wants to put a stop to their bullshit or who won't give into it. It's your right to your choice of religon, but when your religon denys rights, freedom and life to people who aren't in it, it's a different ball game folks.

[007]

I put christian fundamentalists in the same category as islamic fundamentalists, they accept nothing but their own beliefs, and want to kill anyone who wants to put a stop to their bullshit or who won't give into it.

Where are the Christian fundamentalists who want to kill all infidels? :decoder:

[TheBadGuy]

The government lies a lot, the media does so more then the government.

:cheers: :clap:

[fulloflead]

Hehehe, the liberal antipathy for religion never ceases to amuse me.

(Conjecture snipped.)

The absence of free thought among conservatives amazes me. (No wonder they can always "stay on message".) :whip:

"Federal prosecutors said Bilunka is the self-proclaimed leader of a militia called the Christian American Patriots Survivalists, who believe that the end of the world is near."

If there's anything worse than a Religious Nutcase - it's a heavily armed religious nutcase.

The arms and food didn't bother me. The religious belief that the world is going to come to an end soon isn't a big deal in itself. Mix the two and you have a recipe for disaster. Prisons are FULL of people who didn't think before they acted or consider the consequences of their actions. Here you have a guy who's favorite hobby is learning how to kill police and probably isn't all that concerned about consequences if he thinks the world is about to end. That makes him very dangerous. It doesn't take a liberal to see that. :poke:

[Wolfgang]

The government lies a lot, the media does so more then the government.

:cheers: :clap:

:D - okay, we all knew that part.

[fulloflead]

I put christian fundamentalists in the same category as islamic fundamentalists, they accept nothing but their own beliefs, and want to kill anyone who wants to put a stop to their bullshit or who won't give into it.

Where are the Christian fundamentalists who want to kill all infidels? :decoder:

Don't let James Bond nitpick you. The rest of your paragraph was dead on.

[007]

Sounds to me like someone is trying to create a bogeyman out of this dude. Funny how these days that usually means making him out to be a "religious extremist". I mean he hasn't actually done anything except hold beliefs that the gov't and the liberal media doesn't like. Who's the real extremist here?

[fulloflead]

Sounds to me like someone is trying to create a bogeyman out of this dude. Funny how these days that usually means making him out to be a "religious extremist". I mean he hasn't actually done anything except hold beliefs that the gov't and the liberal media doesn't like.


They arrested and convicted him of nothing?



Who's the real extremist here?

:D I'll bite. Who?

[Wolfgang]

Sounds to me like someone is trying to create a bogeyman out of this dude. Funny how these days that usually means making him out to be a "religious extremist". I mean he hasn't actually done anything except hold beliefs that the gov't and the liberal media doesn't like. Who's the real extremist here?

You are entitled to your beliefs, it doesn't mean I'm going to let my beliefs agree with them. He's not even being charged on his beliefs, if he was your normal survivalist he probably wouldn't of been caught for anything, but big brother watched him because of his beliefs. Thats why he got nailed.

Now what about someone who is Islmaic, has the same extreme beleifs as the others you want to surrender rights for to get rid of but hasn't done anything other then beleifs you don't agree with? Answer that Mr. Bond.


Fascism you can vote for.. isn't that sweet?

[007]

He's not even being charged on his beliefs, if he was your normal survivalist he probably wouldn't of been caught for anything, but big brother watched him because of his beliefs. Thats why he got nailed.

Exactly my point. Big Brother watched him because of his beliefs.


Now what about someone who is Islmaic, has the same extreme beleifs as the others you want to surrender rights for to get rid of but hasn't done anything other then beleifs you don't agree with? Answer that Mr. Bond.

I would if I could figure out what you were trying to say!

If you're asking whethter I think we should arrest people for practising Islam, then the answer is no.

[Mr.LaBella]

canaduh proves why birth control is awesome?

[fulloflead]

canaduh proves why birth control is awesome?

Damn! I leave work and login at home and the posts stop making sense! This has been happening a lot lately. I'm in the Twilight Zone again and I think my home computer is the door. :decoder:

[Wolfgang]

:hityou: :D

[tubtar]

Where are the Christian fundamentalists who want to kill all infidels? :decoder:

Hanging around abortion clinics ?

I've said this before...religion....like drugs and alcohol is best used in moderation !
How many of us have friends who drank too much cough syrup or did too much acid during the 70's , dust in the 80's....whatever,....burned out , got religion and now want to share it with us ?
The bastards didn't share shit when they had the booze and dope......but now !!!!!
They were fucked up then and they are fucked up now.....just a different buzz ringing in their ears.
I'll never begrudge a person their faith , it is a beautiful thing to each of us....but mine is mine , and yours is yours.
If we agree , cool.....if we don't , cool as well.
And , of course , we may both be wrong about this whole God business too.
This guy got fucked with because he seems to have invited it via his activities in a group labeled a "militia".......and selling guns to a cop.
And you have to be smart enough to realize that in this day and age , everybody with an agenda that doesn't agree with the powers that be is suspect.
Do you train guys to cap members of a swat team........or do you train guys to be proficient with weapons and wait for the target of opportunity?
Which sounds more suspicious ?
He should just be thankful he is 60 , since I suspect this will deminish the possibility of the inevitable dry anal rape that prison time is famous for.
A little time to pray as well.
J.S.

[fulloflead]

tutbar,
Your tirades are always a hoot to read and I find myself agreeing with some if not most of them. If I met you I think I'd like you. Keep pounding that drum, man. You're marching to your own beat. :)

[Guillermo]

Religion and drugs. A old German told me that Hitler said that religion is opium for the poor. I am a Christian but know my limits and hate to see others that don't. All too often they look for "their reward" and don't worry enough about the here and now. Don't sell illegal machine guns, what the fuck was he thinking? I am not perfect but know that is a little much. Nothing wrong with thinking the end is near I guess but some people are crazy. I sold guns years ago and some of my buyers were really out there and I guess thats why Big Brother is alive and well and has much more of a reach now.

[007]

Christian fundamentalists are NOT comparable to Islamic fundamentalists no matter how much Wolfie would like us to believe it. You guys are really stretching to try and make the comparison. :doublefu:

[Guillermo]

Christian fundamentalists are NOT comparable to Islamic fundamentalists no matter how much Wolfie would like us to believe it. You guys are really stretching to try and make the comparison. :doublefu:

Muslims are crazy. I have talked to a few and they remind me of some guys in N.C. They had sympathy for Nazi's and wanted to kill for Jesus. They did not like it when I told them he was a Jew. Anyone who wants to kill in the name of God is crazy. I tried to read the Koran and only got to page 150 or so. It will say respect Christians and Jews one minute and tell you to kill them all a few pages later. I will not get started but try to read it and you will see what I am talking about.

[007]

Exactly, Guillermo! It isn't that we don't have any weirdos over here, but there's a profound difference between the two religions.

[Guillermo]

I think that I put something about this in another post. I have been told from too many people that have been to predominantly Muslim areas that men would rather have sex with boys to avoid the sin that would be commited with a woman. I'll give a person the same respect that they give me but I'll never see tha logic in that. Sin is sin and I'll sin with a woman, thank you anyway.

[007]

That is some warped thinking right there. Those fuckers better come in out of the sun. :D

[Bonzo]

I think that I put something about this in another post. I have been told from too many people that have been to predominantly Muslim areas that men would rather have sex with boys to avoid the sin that would be commited with a woman. I'll give a person the same respect that they give me but I'll never see tha logic in that. Sin is sin and I'll sin with a woman, thank you anyway.


Mr. Guillermo,

Thats why a muslim always leaves the stump when he cuts down a tree. So he can stand on it and back his camel up to the stump....



Best regards,

Bonz

[Guillermo]

Thats why a muslim always leaves the stump when he cuts down a tree. So he can stand on it and back his camel up to the stump....

Bonz

The first time I heard of a stump broke animal I thought "how sick". Then I realized it was not as sick as the guy that showed his friend the act in the first place.

[AK-47]

It was written "Religion and drugs. A old German told me that Hitler said that religion is opium for the poor." -- That old German has his history a bit wrong , It was Stalin that said that.
As far as that guy teaching the others how to kill cops--he was probably thinking of the New World Order when the U.N. puts their police in our country to control Americans.
As far as Christians , being like the Muslims--I think not. Christians want to convert you --this is true--but not by cutting off your head. The two religions are worlds apart. the Christians have a loving God that wants us all to get along and be happy and free. The Rag-head religion has a God of Violence and oppression. Which one would you choose.
Getting back to the Militia guy--he was definitly set up by big brother.

[007]

Actually, I think it was Karl Marx who first said that religion was the opiate of the masses. I think you are dead right in the rest of your post, AK-47. Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco?

[Guillermo]

G. Gordon Liddy had some good instruction on cops (ATF). Shoot them between the eyes becaause of their armor.

[Wolfgang]

Actually, I think it was Karl Marx who first said that religion was the opiate of the masses. I think you are dead right in the rest of your post, AK-47. Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco?

I read that somewhere as well.. and unlike his flawed ideals that communism can't be any easier to corrupt (capitalism if anything is more corrupt, it's big coporartions that control it, not people that claim to be in charge), he has a point there.

Hitler, Stalin, Marx... the first two are some of the worse dictators in history Carl Marx laid the foundation for communism, but he started another another form of power (Marxism) and envisioned to be in place in the United Kingdom, Russia and China were his last places he thought it'd be in, and one of them miserably failed. and it became even more state controlled... hence Communism. the other is going to crush under it's own weight before the US could if Bush doesn't keep spending billions on the war in Iraq and this whole "homeland security" bullshit.

[AK-47]

007 , I stand corrected. Thanks for refreshing my mind--it was Karl Marx.
What he said was:

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. "

Guess I was thnking it was Stalin--but sometimes with all the idiotic things the Commies say , it is hard to remember who said what.

[007]

sometimes with all the idiotic things the Commies say , it is hard to remember who said what.

FuckinA, bro! :D