EdAz~

[Mr.LaBella]

good good good

helped me complete my set of RJ Martin Rampages

[Parker]

Ed and I just completed a trade in what has been a long-going series on and off for years now.

Not only does he have impeccable taste in knives, but he a complete gentleman to boot. If you have the opportunity to do a little horse trading with him, I can guarantee the experience will not only be entirely pleasant, but will stand out as one of your fine trading experiences period.

I don't have nearly enough green to give this guy.

parker

[armsraised]

I love Ed

[EdAz]

feeling is more than mutual Parker.thank you very much.
Ed
i ove you too Mike

[henvi]

done many with ed, real easy going and a true pleasure.

[G3]

Smooth deal with EdAz.
http://www.jerzeedevil.com/gallery/files/1/1/4/1/thumbsupboth.gif

[Stabber]

+1:spin: Ed's Alright!!:ronl:

[Guillermo]

Well I've gotta say that Ed is number one in my book. A great guy to deal with.

[henvi]

A+ deal with ed, Don't hesitate to deal with ed !!!

[Parker]

Absolutely - no question about it, Ed ought to be in anyone's top 1%.

[EdAz]

Well I've gotta say that Ed is number one in my book. A great guy to deal with.
thank you very much Ernie..it was a pleasure dealing with you.

[Stabber]

Don't hesitate to deal with Ed!! Great guy to deal with!!:spin:

[Parker]

Oh yeah, Ed and I have done the swap, buy and sell thing for somehtig like 6 or eight years, as long as I've been screwing around with online forums.

He's always done right by me and will do for you as well. Plus he's got not only great taste in knives, but such a wide taste it's spooky.

[EdAz]

you guys are great.thank you.

[armsraised]

I love Ed

[supersharp]

Ed is a cool person to deal with. :ross:

[EdAz]

thanks for a great deal.thank you for positive feedback.
Ed

[BladeGoblin]

Great communication, fast shipping, the man knows his blades.

Thanks for the flawless transaction Ed.

[EdAz]

thank you bladegoblin.

[Stabber]

Had a great dealing with Ed. Great knife/perfect deal!!:ross:

[EdAz]

thanks Ricky,always a pleasure dealing with ya.

[Mr.LaBella]

EdAz rocks!

Thanks Ed:devilzide

[fishiker]

Just completed a transaction with Ed and it was all good; great communication, quick shipment, knife was better than advertised.

[EdAz]

thanks a lot Ron.i appriciate it.

[Iceman]

as always, a pleasure to deal with. Thanks Ed. :thumbsup:

[Mr.LaBella]

good good good

helped me complete my set of RJ Martin Rampages

Actually he ASS RAPED me on this deal (the first one)

But all since then have been extremely pleasant :decisions :devilzeek

[EdAz]

thanks Ron,for everything.

[dfarmerknives]

workin a deal with EdAz. All I gotta say is "Thanks"!!!

[rio]

ed is a good guy to deal with:ssmile:

[SZiehr]

Just closed out a deal with Edaz, it's great to deal with another excellent Devil!

[Mr.LaBella]

Another notch in the old headboard for Ed.


what a guy! :jdposts:

[EdAz]

thanks Ron,it's a pleasure to interact with you always.

[mickey2]

Ed is a great fellow, buy with confidence!

[EdAz]

Ed is a great fellow, buy with confidence!

thanks Mickey,pleasured meeting you.

[Basko]

Fast, concise communication and payment. Would buy and sell with Ed any day of the week.

Thanks, Ed. Pleasure doing business.

Chris

[EdAz]

hey guys ,i need your feedback on a situation i've been hit with.
FIVE months ago i did a trade with one of our members (let's call him JJ) at a gun show.obviousely after the trade we shook on it and walked away happy.
since then i ran into JJ few times at different shows,not a problem so far,last saturday i get a threatening phone call,that JJ is not happy with the trade,and he wants his junk i mean his knives back,my phone hasn't stopped ringing ever since,that if i don't take any action he'll fix my A and that he's a Tiger.and so on...should i bend to his wishes?because maybe a) he can't sell the knife?
b) it took him FIVE months to realize he's not happy with the trade?
i have a lot of knives,i can easily reverse the trade,BUT it has been his nasty attitude that made me hesitant.what do you think?

[lachrymalex]

he's a tiger? oh, my.

[ratstuph]

From what I hear taking the high road (reversing the trade) is often a good idea; not that I would know from personal experience because I usually take the path of most resistance and greatest aggravation.
all da best,
rats...

[G3]

Fuck that noise.

EdAz is good to go.

[HotrodKelley]

I'd tell "JJ" to go fuck himself

[50calmike]

I'm kinda with HRK on this one. You did nothing wrong so don't lose ANY sleep over it.

[EdAz]

thanks guys.only if, he had approached me as a human being/friend i would have considered it.maybe.but his NASTY attitude and insults set me way back.i'd like to be a crowd pleaser but this guy is way off.

[Glenn]

FIVE months ! Get real, if "JJ" was unhappy he should have expressed it long before 5 months . It's a done deal in my eyes , end of story.

[Sheldon_Wickersham]

Fuck 'im. Could be he's on, or off meds? Worse thing similar that's happened to me was a guy I bought a knife from at a show, giving me shit about it the next year, for almost the whole show, until I asked the show promoter to tell him to back off - which he did ending the problem for that show.

He set the price, I bought the knife, end of story for that year - the next year tho', the guy and his son approach telling me that I'd ripped him/them off because 'the knife was worth way more than I'd paid'...WTF, you set the price, I bought, so fuck off already...

I think they were either on, or off meds... :bwah:

[IWantThatKnife]

A big difference, time makes. I sold a knife to a cutomer in California - $1,200 worth. When the customer put hands on it - he decided it "wasn't him." I said send the knife back and I would refund his money. It happened within 1-2 days of his receipt of the knife (I think he had buyer's remorse but oh well) so for good business I took it back. Had he waited 3-4 weeks and then wanted a refund - well too late a deal's a deal.

EdAz - you may be a bastid, you may not be; but you ain't no bastid in this deal. I have a problem with the threats though - in this day and age - you need to be extremely careful; member of JD or not - threats don't cut it. If you have a friend or contact at the local PD or Sheriff - call them and talk to them about it.

[Mr.LaBella]

Ed, everyone knows that my initials are "RL"

:bwah:

You prick fuck, ya!

[rio]

fuck that dude ed, 5 months ???? to fucking late , deal is a deal. point him to us when we get together and see if he runs his mouth.

[EdAz]

Ed, everyone knows that my initials are "RL"

:bwah:

You prick fuck, ya!when? i'm very horny,RL.

[BennytheBlade]

Is there a legitmate issue w/ the knife in question... not that it really matters I guess, b/c 5 months is WAY past time to find out, and I dont respond well to being bullied, but just wondering wtf happened that he soured on it so much.

[Mr.LaBella]

Ed is a good dude, despite his many shortcomings. If he wears you down enough to accept his terms, he has done it legally and you have no leg to stand on, JJ.

That is my real OFFICIAL answer.:forkoff:

[jason.lee740]

Stand your ground and tell him its to late, about 5 months to late.

Tell him he should have checked his knife the moment he got it and should have notify you of his dissatisfaction as soon as he saw it.

Also tell him this for me: grow the fuck up and learn some manners. Insulting, assuming that he did, is no way to conduct business.

And am I the only one who wants to hear JJ's side of the story?

I'm curious on why it took him so long and maybe what the problem is.

[rio]

the problem is always the same , money:ross:

[EdAz]

fuck that dude ed, 5 months ???? to fucking late , deal is a deal. point him to us when we get together and see if he runs his mouth.

you know him rio,and i KNOW you don't think highly of him either.

[Manganr]

Sounds like a total fucking fuck to me. Maybe i'm missing something.:madaddy:
Point him to this thread. If he has anything valid to say then this would be a good place to start...........

[Parker]

If you just want the Short Version - FUCK HIM.

Ed, first off, have him call me. I'll send you my number. Or give me his. Even better.

I'll tell him to go fuck himself myself. This way you do not need to sully your airspace talking to him again.

Five months after an in-person trade is just plain outside the lines.

You and I meet, we look at each other's kit, and you trade me? It's YOURS. If this was a gun, and we went to the range together and you liked it, it is yours. But walk away with it, and it is yours.

Five months is plenty of time to screw something up, ruin it, break it, whatever.

A quick story -

I had a guy buy a knife and tell me on the day he got it it was great, just what he wanted, thank you, etc.

Next day he had cut himself while beating on the spine, after apparently taking it apart and reassembling it. Whoops.

He wanted his money back.

If it's fine when you get it, then you dick with it (or own it for five months) and you're unhappy, that is your problem, not mine.

If JJ, the little prick that he appears to be, is going to be so ungentlemanly as to be this caliber an asshole, I'd like to see his JD name as well as his real name here in this thread so we can all avoid dealing with him.

And that is the double-sized capital-red-letter SuperOfficial JD Response.

[john carnaroli]

Ed i know this guy has financial problems,but nevertheless five months is a long time to complain about a deal.don't worry about it.Tiger??LOL

[jujigatame]

Hard to imagine what kind of problem would take 5 months to manifest itself and erupt like that. If, as you mention, it was something he traded for with the intention of selling but has found he can't move it...that's too bad. It's also something that everyone runs into sooner or later when you horse trade, whether it be knives, guns, baseball cards, or whatever. Perhaps he's never found himself in that position and doesn't know what to do other than blow it back on you.

[Rat Finkenstein]

Fuck him.

[LorenzoL]

Maybe the knife got dull after five months...:shockedevil:

[waterdogs]

This "JJ" is an unrealistic douchenozzle....Homie don`t play no fuckin` buyer`s remorse....

War story:

A few years back, I stopped by a garage sale, and spotted some old stereo gear. I spoke to the youngish woman owner, who told me it was her late father`s equipment. I paid her, and started carrying the stuff to my car, when all of a sudden, her mother appeared on the scene, blocking my path, yelling at the daughter that the price marked was "Too Low", and she wasn`t gonna let it go. I knew I could flip the stuff on eBay and make a few hundred, so I wound up giving them an extra hundred bucks just to shut the old bird up. I left my phone number with the daughter, telling her if she came across any more equipment, to give me a call. Seven or eight months later, I get a call from the mother, who says "I was talking to somebody, and he told me what that stuff was REALLY worth, so I want another two hundred for it"....I replied "Lady....when you pull down your pants and show me your balls, I`ll give you the two hundred !"

[karlthev]

I'm not quick to get the police involved but, should he be threatening, create some pressure of your own. This BS and he is well aware of that fact.


Karl

[shakie]

Waders Waders, has anyone seen my waders!

[mrgee]

I am the person that this thread is about. Unfortunatly the truth has not been
told about this transaction and I wish to set the record straight.
Some months back I was approached by the original poster and was offered a
"custom made" waki. It was supposed top have been valued at $1000, butr the poster did not know the makers name and could provide no additional details about the sword.
Time passed and the sword was traded. 24 houirs later the person who aquired the sword contacted me and advised me that the sword was a fake,
not custom. This person, who has been in the knife business for over 30 years
is more or less an expert in the field,
He advised me that the blade was a cut down Chinese sword since the"blood groove" extended past the point of the sword and the point was fabricated at a slight angle.It would appear that several inchs had been cut from the sword and a bogus tip ground i, and not very well.
The hanon shows typical Chinese acid etching because of the unaformity of the pattern.
The handle and fittings, while attractive do not prove to be authentic custom made.
I attempted to contact poster to peacefully discuss the situation, however he would not respond to any of my phone calls; hanging up when I called and not answering voicemails.
I have had a good relationship with poster for several years, completed numerous deals with him and belived we had a cordial relationship.
I have made no overt threats against him because that is not the type of person I am.
I do not like being defrauded and in this case, I have been. Cordial attempts to resolve this situation have gone unanswered and I hjave recently gotten an email from poster which I define as threatening to me.
One line reads"above all, i'i surprise wheni meet you in(a show), thats a promise".
Who is threatening who?
I value truth and honesty in knife dealing which I have been involved in for many years. This was not the case in this deal.
Your comments are welcome and appreciated.
I will attempt to post pics of said sword.

[mrgee]

I am the person that this thread is about. Unfortunatly the truth has not been
told about this transaction and I wish to set the record straight.
Some months back I was approached by the original poster and was offered a
"custom made" waki. It was supposed top have been valued at $1000, butr the poster did not know the makers name and could provide no additional details about the sword.
Time passed and the sword was traded. 24 houirs later the person who aquired the sword contacted me and advised me that the sword was a fake,
not custom. This person, who has been in the knife business for over 30 years
is more or less an expert in the field,
He advised me that the blade was a cut down Chinese sword since the"blood groove" extended past the point of the sword and the point was fabricated at a slight angle.It would appear that several inchs had been cut from the sword and a bogus tip ground i, and not very well.
The hanon shows typical Chinese acid etching because of the unaformity of the pattern.
The handle and fittings, while attractive do not prove to be authentic custom made.
I attempted to contact poster to peacefully discuss the situation, however he would not respond to any of my phone calls; hanging up when I called and not answering voicemails.
I have had a good relationship with poster for several years, completed numerous deals with him and belived we had a cordial relationship.
I have made no overt threats against him because that is not the type of person I am.
I do not like being defrauded and in this case, I have been. Cordial attempts to resolve this situation have gone unanswered and I hjave recently gotten an email from poster which I define as threatening to me.
One line reads"above all, i'i surprise wheni meet you in(a show), thats a promise".
Who is threatening who?
I value truth and honesty in knife dealing which I have been involved in for many years. This was not the case in this deal.
Your comments are welcome and appreciated.
I will attempt to post pics of said sword.

As a ps, poster has said he reported me to a "NYS detective"

[rio]

glad to see you posting here J, as always there is two sides of the story and is good to hear them both , what's not right are threats of violence in either part to resolve this, we have in this small community a hardcore honor system and i hope that you guys can solve this the honorable way, all my best wishes raul.

[LorenzoL]

That "sword" does not look at all like a $1000 custom job. I do not know either of the two parties involved, but I would feel very angry if I found out that someone I thought I could trust sold me a fake. It does not matter if months or even years have gone by.

[norcal13]

if EdAz knew it was a fake .....he is a bastid indeed.

[t.k.t.c]

looks to me the sword perhaps broke then the tip was horribly re-ground.the blood groove running into the tip should have be an obvious red flag since the blood groove doesnt run past the yakote. its always good to know a bit about what you are buying before you make a descision to purchase and if need be get a third party opinion.. i would be pissed too if i found out it was a shitty fake no matter how long past by. but then on the other foot you should have been aware of what you were getting yourself into.. just my 2 cents

[mrgee]

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to present my side of this nasty situation I know find myself in. Perhaps I should have known better, and not gotten involved in this, but I am a trusting person and I believed the "other" person to be honest and ethical. After this, not soooo trusting.

All I want in this situation is compensation for the wrong done to me, however
it seems the "other person" does not see it that way.

I am sorry a good group like the JDs had to get involved in this; it was not
MY IDEA!

Good fortune to everyone and be sure to "watch your six".

mrgee

[mrgee]

thanks guys.only if, he had approached me as a human being/friend i would have considered it.maybe.but his NASTY attitude and insults set me way back.i'd like to be a crowd pleaser but this guy is way off.

I never got the opportunity to do the above because he never answered his phone. I don't do smoke signals.....

[Rat Finkenstein]

looks like the evidence shows the answer to the title is "yes".

[mrgee]

Ed i know this guy has financial problems,but nevertheless five months is a long time to complain about a deal.don't worry about it.Tiger??LOL

I have no financial problems whatsoever. Wanna compare assets?

[EdAz]

i got the sword in trade from a reputable dealer,and turned it over.mrgee gladly accepted the trade.if there was a hint of a problem i should have been contacted row.150 days is out of a question.
also again if there is a problem.mrgee should have approached me as a freind not threaten me in any way.

[maddawg918]

This is just my 2 cents.

If it were me, and I unknowingly gave a fake to someone else in trade, I'd undo the trade and make it right, no matter how much time had passed.

[sandwich]

This is just my 2 cents.

If it were me, and I unknowingly gave a fake to someone else in trade, I'd undo the trade and make it right, no matter how much time had passed.

This.

Fuck that shit. I don't give a fuck if 5 years went by, I'd want my money back if I was RIPPED off.

And reputable dealer is not so reputable.

[maddawg918]

This.

Fuck that shit. I don't give a fuck if 5 years went by, I'd want my money back if I was RIPPED off.

And reputable dealer is not so reputable.

Yep.

The right thing to do is undo the deal and make it right. Then if the "reputable" dealer wouldn't make it right with me (which is very likely) I'd have to eat it. Better me being out than a fellow devil.

[EdAz]

mrgee is a sword expert.he does many many gun and knife shows.most of his inventories are swords.as mentioned earlier we communicated in civilized manner few times (at least 4 shows),the subject never came up.so i know for fact the knife was never sold let alone returned in 24 hrs.
mrgee has a habit of doubling his prices.as we traded at 600.i got a forged fighter and an al mar 4x4 in trade.
i would reverse the trade in a flash,BUT,it all boils down to his threatening manner,basically i don't do well with threats.
here is a picture of the gem.

[Stabber]

:devilzeekWhy wait that long Joel? You could have looked the sword over and decided yourself you may have wanted to un-do the deal. Your a dealer with knowledge to.
Then you say= Quote: "I attempted to contact poster to peacefully discuss the situation, however he would not respond to any of my phone calls; hanging up when I called and not answering voicemails.
I have had a good relationship with poster for several years, completed numerous deals with him and belived we had a cordial relationship.
I have made no overt threats against him because that is not the type of person I am."

You did make threats on his phone!!
You saw him in person numerous times at different shows in 5 months. Like 2 weeks ago at the Danbury show, Why didn't you talk to him in person there?
Something is very fishy here.http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif

[Stabber]

I looked at the pics again. That sword must have been Dropped. There is a big ding on the Tsuba also. And to have the tip like that? It looks like it was ground on the cement!!

Sorry, I call Bullshit here. The simple Time laps is ridiculous not to see this for yourself Joel!

[EdAz]

I looked at the pics again. That sword must have been Dropped. There is a big ding on the Tsuba also. And to have the tip like that? It looks like it was ground on the cement!!

Sorry, I call Bullshit here. The simple Time laps is ridiculous not to see this for yourself Joel!

the sword was in mint condition when joel recieved it i have 3 eyewitnesses.all loved the sword but didn't want to touch it,because it was unmarked.
the fishy thing is that ricky,he couldn't sell it,that's why.then again Joel hardly sells anything at the shows.there is a reason he's called JJ.

[EdAz]

glad to see you posting here J, as always there is two sides of the story and is good to hear them both , what's not right are threats of violence in either part to resolve this, we have in this small community a hardcore honor system and i hope that you guys can solve this the honorable way, all my best wishes raul.

i agree with that 100% rio,especially with the hardcore honor system,i would rather donate a $600.00 knife to our community than forcefully undo a deal under an insulting and threatening gun.

[44Magpie]

Five months later he decides he doesn't like the trade? Tell him to go pound sand. :pissedevil:

[Parker]

the sword was in mint condition when joel recieved it i have 3 eyewitnesses.all loved the sword but didn't want to touch it,because it was unmarked.
the fishy thing is that ricky,he couldn't sell it,that's why.then again Joel hardly sells anything at the shows.there is a reason he's called JJ.

Upon seeing those pics, as well as the five-month time line, I sorta figured that sword would have been in excellent condition at the outset.

Lots can happen in five months. Looks like lots did happen in five months.

Ed, you've always been a picky guy when we've traded. All that ever did was make me smarter and pickier as well.

McGee is pretty much out of luck here fellas. That sword has been worked over pretty badly and if it was clean when he got it, it's HIS. As Stabber notes, that thing has been dropped or whacked against something vigorously.

JJ, just in the event you're unaware, assets are about a third of wealth. Debt is another third and cash flow completes your equation. If you're bogged on either of these two, it matters not how large your asset base is. Just ask AIG or Bear Stearns.

[HotrodKelley]

:devilzeekWhy wait that long Joel? You could have looked the sword over and decided yourself you may have wanted to un-do the deal. Your a dealer with knowledge to.
Then you say= Quote: "I attempted to contact poster to peacefully discuss the situation, however he would not respond to any of my phone calls; hanging up when I called and not answering voicemails.
I have had a good relationship with poster for several years, completed numerous deals with him and belived we had a cordial relationship.
I have made no overt threats against him because that is not the type of person I am."

You did make threats on his phone!!
You saw him in person numerous times at different shows in 5 months. Like 2 weeks ago at the Danbury show, Why didn't you talk to him in person there?
Something is very fishy here.http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif

Welcome back Ricky.

I'm sticking with my original comment. You're out of luck , and time, JJ.

[Les Robertson]

Ed bought his first knife from me about 18 years ago.

We have done business or at least attempted to do business at every NY (NYCKS/ECCKS) show for the last 15 years.

It has always been my experience with Ed that he did as much "due diligence" as cold be reasonably expected by a collector.

The only thing I can see about how Ed buys knives is that on a couple occasion he overpaid. When I pointed that out...he never got pissed...he viewed it as a lesson learned.

When I first started buying knives I bought a Barminiski...original asking price was $350 (1984)...I "worked the dealer down to $275 (Guess I showed him!)

6 months later I found out that the dealer price on that knife was $70...apparently I did show him...that I knew nothing about the pricing of custom knives.

Quite honestly that was a turning point for me....and the word "Homework" with regards to custom knives entered my consciousness!

The person who bought the knife from Ed has a few things going against him:

1) He obviously did not know what he was looking at....he did not do his homework.

2) Knowing Ed I suspect he did not hold a gun to the buyers head to give him the money.

3) If you buy something through the mail (sight unseen...no a photo does not count) you have 5 days to contact the seller and and let them know you changed your mind. That law started because of used cars...commonly referred to as the "Lemon Law".

4) 5 months....sorry...that is just way to long. Especially if you had seen Ed previously at shows prior to the end of the 5 months.

5) For Ed to be a true bastid...he would have to have known the sword was a fake...obviously he did not.

To sum up...seller did nothing wrong...buyer lacked experience (did not know what he was looking at) and paid Ed for the sword without physical intimidation of any kind by Ed.

The buyer now owns the knife.

Lesson to everyone...do your homework. My lesson cost me $275 and that was 26 years ago.

Imagine all those people who bought a knife from Bob Loveless over the last 25 years...who actually thought they were getting a Loveless....and not a knife from an apprentice!

Now that Bob has passed away, there will be a separation between Loveless knives...and Loveless shop knives. Similar to the Lile Knives and the Lile Knives with the "Dot" over the "i". That is going to be a very expensive lesson for many of those buyers!

[Guillermo]

I've dealt with Ed a few times in the past but they were all marked production knives. If you buy something that is unmarked you better like it and know what it is. What you got is what it is. If months have passed and you two have met many time since it's a done deal.

Les made a good point, education takes time and cost money.

The "30 yr expert" could be and was wise to send it back within 24hrs. if he was unhappy. The dealer should have been happy with the deal and was for months. Sucks if it is a fake but too much time has passed for Ed to do anything about it. Just my opinion.

[Rat Finkenstein]

so who broke off the tip of the "sword" and reground it? Was it like that when it was sold? I wouldn't have taken possession of such an item, much less hung onto it for months, if that is the case.

[SaintMyKill]

:bwah::bwah::bwah:Tell Rio errrr I mean JJ to stick the knife up his ass blade first lolololol:bwah::bwah:

[Mr.LaBella]

Let us all calm down with name calling and threats please. At the end of the day no one's name but mine is on the bottom line here. I stand by my original post, I have done many a deal with Ed, and no matter what he always is a straight shooter. (regardless of how or what emotions may dictate)

I cannot imagine the parameters of this deal being any different than any deal I (or many others) have done with Ed.

JJ or mrgee, please continue and everyone remain respectful. this is The JD, act accordingly.

[mrgee]

Let us all calm down with name calling and threats please. At the end of the day no one's name but mine is on the bottom line here. I stand by my original post, I have done many a deal with Ed, and no matter what he always is a straight shooter. (regardless of how or what emotions may dictate)

I cannot imagine the parameters of this deal being any different than any deal I (or many others) have done with Ed.

JJ or mrgee, please continue and everyone remain respectful. this is The JD, act accordingly.

With all due respect to you sir, this is your ballpark and I play by the rules.
Many people have made negative comments on this thread and it is my hope that this situation can be settled in an amicable manner.
1-The sword is as i received it; I did not break the blade and regrind it.
2-I am not a sword dealer and only have only 2 in my selling/trading stock.
3-The sword WAS held for several because I did not have a customer for it.
I only found out it was a fake when my customer took the time to explain
WHY it was a fake. Fighters and folders-semi expert; swords- no where near an expert.
4- I was out of work for 18 months and had a restricted cash flow. I am now employed and probably making more $ then I have ever made before.
5- I have to assume that Edz DID NOT know this sword was a fake and probably made the deal in good faith. That still does not make it a fair deal.
6- My ultimate goal in this whole situation is not to degenerate to threats,accusations, name calling and the rest of the bagof low life shit.
All I expect out of this is fair, equitable treatment; don't do to others what you don't want done to you.
&- ED-Lets sit down and discuss this like adults, casting aside all the nasty, cruel asserations made by ALL posters. Are you big enough for that?
You know how and where to reach me, so lets do it.
mrgee aka Joel Gottfried
PS Rick, you surprise me with your comments. You know me too well for that.
I hope this post puts an end to all this bullshit!

[mrgee]

:devilzeekWhy wait that long Joel? You could have looked the sword over and decided yourself you may have wanted to un-do the deal. Your a dealer with knowledge to.
Then you say= Quote: "I attempted to contact poster to peacefully discuss the situation, however he would not respond to any of my phone calls; hanging up when I called and not answering voicemails.
I have had a good relationship with poster for several years, completed numerous deals with him and belived we had a cordial relationship.
I have made no overt threats against him because that is not the type of person I am."

You did make threats on his phone!!
You saw him in person numerous times at different shows in 5 months. Like 2 weeks ago at the Danbury show, Why didn't you talk to him in person there?
Something is very fishy here.http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif

Rick
I did no know it was a fake until 24 hours after Danbury, ergo no discussion was required at the show. Not fishy, factual.
J

[mrgee]

:bwah::bwah::bwah:Tell Rio errrr I mean JJ to stick the knife up his ass blade first lolololol:bwah::bwah:

You got some mouth boy; grow up!

[Parker]

You got some mouth boy; grow up!

Quoted for the posterity of it all.

[Parker]

With all due respect to you sir, this is your ballpark and I play by the rules.
Many people have made negative comments on this thread and it is my hope that this situation can be settled in an amicable manner.
1-The sword is as i received it; I did not break the blade and regrind it.
2-I am not a sword dealer and only have only 2 in my selling/trading stock.
3-The sword WAS held for several because I did not have a customer for it.
I only found out it was a fake when my customer took the time to explain
WHY it was a fake. Fighters and folders-semi expert; swords- no where near an expert.
4- I was out of work for 18 months and had a restricted cash flow. I am now employed and probably making more $ then I have ever made before.
5- I have to assume that Edz DID NOT know this sword was a fake and probably made the deal in good faith. That still does not make it a fair deal.
6- My ultimate goal in this whole situation is not to degenerate to threats,accusations, name calling and the rest of the bagof low life shit.
All I expect out of this is fair, equitable treatment; don't do to others what you don't want done to you.
&- ED-Lets sit down and discuss this like adults, casting aside all the nasty, cruel asserations made by ALL posters. Are you big enough for that?
You know how and where to reach me, so lets do it.
mrgee aka Joel Gottfried
PS Rick, you surprise me with your comments. You know me too well for that.
I hope this post puts an end to all this bullshit!

More posterity.

The singular point I'd like you to pay special attention to - you believe Ed did this in good faith, and did not set out to "cheat you." You still want him to reverse it, after five months.

[mrgee]

Sir
A fake is a fake, 6 hours or 6 years. Not being a "sword expert", I got took.
I've only handeled swords infrequently, and knowing Ed for years, I took him at face value.
After all the nasty comments and accusations on both sides, all I'm looking for
is fair treatment; do unto others, etc.No more nastyness required or needed on anyones part.

[Mike Stewart]

Sir,

You made a trade you were happy with.

5 months later you found out you were no longer happy with the trade.

You need to put on your Big Girl Panties and walk away from this.

It is called Live and Learn.

The man you traded with did not do anything purposely deceptive.

It does seem that both of you need to never touch a sword again -

Fullers never go all the way through the point.

He screwed up - You screwed up.

In this deal - with all I have heard - you hosed yourself by not knowing anything about a product you took in trade.

That was Bad Business on YOUR Part.

You need to cut your losses. It is too long to reverse the deal.

That IS the fair thing to do under the circumstances.

Any Considerations he would give you at this point would be nothing more than charity.

Business is Business - 5 months is 5 months.

You are being a whiner.

In any business that are deals that do not go as planned.

Most of us stand up - learn from it and continue on.

You need to do that now.

[englishmark]

I understand why you'd be pissed off, but five months is far too long, you should of confirmed wether the sword was legit a lot sooner, in hindsight ,preferably before trading.

Edited to add............You two could have had this squared away without dragging your reps through the mud, communication is all that was needed, not threats.

[jmckenna]

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that if I traded or sold someone an item that was a fake, I'd trade back/ refund at any point and apologize profusely. EdAz's ignorance does not excuse the fact that the item is fake. The reasoning that somehow not knowing the sword was fake makes it okay to screw someone else strikes me as entirely dishonest.

Ed has stated he can easily reverse the trade and he should be the bigger man and do so.

[mrgee]

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that if I traded or sold someone an item that was a fake, I'd trade back/ refund at any point and apologize profusely. EdAz's ignorance does not excuse the fact that the item is fake. The reasoning that somehow not knowing the sword was fake makes it okay to screw someone else strikes me as entirely dishonest.

Ed has stated he can easily reverse the trade and he should be the bigger man and do so.

Thank you.

[rio]

You got some mouth boy; grow up!

joel that was direct at me so sorry for that .

[mrgee]

Not directed to you- directed to the fella who posted it. Your comments have been fair and honest and are appreciated.
No apology needed.
I just want this whole thing to go away; its gone WAY, WAY too far already.
I hope it can be resolved in a fair, reasonable and equitable manner, but thats not up to me. Will find out next weekend........

[Per-Sev]

I does not get any smoother than the trade we just completed. Thanks Ed

[jcullen]

Great Deal and excellent open dialogue, hope to deal again, highly recommended Thanks again JC

[EdAz]

Great Deal and excellent open dialogue, hope to deal again, highly recommended Thanks again JC
thanks pal,pleasure is all mine,glad it went to a good home.
ed

[Trident]

Ed is the man! Great guy to deal with, he is the best. Nicest guy, honest, and has some great items. Definitely highly recommended, this guy is A+++++

Ed, thank you again, sir. You are a great asset to the community and even though I am new, I really appreciate your communication and honesty. Thank you sir..

George
:devil1:

[Achilles]

Just had a perfect transaction with Ed.
Item was exactly as described, communication and service were excellent!

Hope to deal again soon :devil1:

[Iceman]

Smooth deal with Ed. :thumbsup:

[EdAz]

iceman thanks very much for a great knife and very nice JD gifts.
ed

[Joep]

Great doing business with you Ed (EdAz):thumbsup:. Good man to deal with Devils!
Later, Joep.

[EdAz]

Great doing business with you Ed (EdAz):thumbsup:. Good man to deal with Devils!
Later, Joep.

thanks a lot Joe,it was a pleasure dealing with you.

[armsraised]

I don't know if I like Ed anymore, it's been a very long time since I've seen him. He could be a jerk now :bwah:

[TONE888]

Ed is definitely a good guy to deal with.

Thanks again!!!