HK p7 m8

[Rover]

I picked this up yesterday. Very impressed by the quality of this one.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z112/artrover/P8030021.jpg

[Stabber]

I'm impressed to Art:madaddy:

[Rover]

Sorry about that. I put up a pic with the serial number. Once my camera's charged I'll put another one up.

[Rover]

Finally got a pic up so BTTT.

[Grant]

You better shoot this one!

[Rover]

Hey bro, didn't know you were on JD. Cool.

I'm going to try to make it out to Ben Avery later this week. Still dealing with the fucking washing machine.

[El Gringo]

I would love to shoot one of those...or at least get to fondle it for awhile.:devilzeek

[Michael Starr]

Bar none one of the most accurate 9mm I own - I have pairs of M8 & M13.
German engineering at its finest.
Shoot the hell out of that thing.

[Derespina Knives]

I was just feeling one up for the second tie at the FFl today.... nicer than I remembered. It has been recommended to me much lately. But used in VG condition it was $950. OUCH!

Seen them in slightly worse condition for a couole hundred less locally. Gonna have to keep looking.

Nice score!

[El Gringo]

Sorry about that. I put up a pic with the serial number. Once my camera's charged I'll put another one up.

BTW, here's a little trick. You can put a little piece of clear tape over the
number and it wont show up on pics. Some people blot it out with computer graphics, but I'm not that savvy.

[knife_junky]

I assume its not a wise idea to have the serial numbers showing, why is that?? If the gun was not registered I guess, no?

[Parker]

I assume its not a wise idea to have the serial numbers showing, why is that?? If the gun was not registered I guess, no?

KJ, without getting into the mechanics of it, if you post the serial no. of a gun on the internet, I can actually report it as stolen, complete with who has possession of the gun. A police report of a stolen gun is often taken at face value, and as such you can be detained for possession of the gun and in fact it can find it's way to me even if it is legally and correctly yours. The report is very difficult to dispute.

This is why savvy gun-folk will list at GA or GB or wherever that they have Smith and Wesson Model 19-4, serial no B987XX (as an example), leaving out the last two digits - the first three will confirm for those who will research the piece that the gun is what they say it is and the year, generation, etc, but it cuts your chances of being screwed this way by a huge margin.

Maybe Ken, Nyeti, Tim or Langy can cut thru the murk on this, but this is the main reason why folks never show the serial no's if they are clever about things.

For what it's worth, if you've been fortunate enough to lay your hands to a gun sans registration, say your grandpa's old 1911A1 from 1931, I'd suggest not posting it on the net, serial numbers or not.

[knife_junky]

Thanks for the info.. It certainly makes good sense..

[nyeti]

I couldn't get this to go on the P.M.'s to those interested. This is the best Pro/Con out their for this gun written by what is probably the foremost expert on long term sustained use and carry:

PROS
-It is one of the fastest pistols to place into action and make "safe" due to the unique cocking lever design which also acts as the ambi slide release.
-It is totally ambidextrous as other than the front mounted cocking lever it has not external controls to deal with during firing
-It is either cocked and ready to fire or uncocked and "safe" (to holster, etc.) even with a round chambered
-The cocking lever design provides a single action trigger pull for each and every shot
-There is no sequence required to fire the pistol – as long as you squeeze the cocking lever and trigger together or in20either order the pistol will fire
-The design is somewhat uncommon so some folks cannot operate it. That has saved documented countless lives where a child or someone with ill intent who took the P7 could not make it fire at the owner. I know of at least 6 cases where the P7 saved the owners life.
-The cocking lever is difficult (takes 12-14 pounds of pressure to squeeze initially and only @ 2 to keep it cocked) but not impossible for a young child to operate so it tends to have an additional built-in “safety margin”
-The fixed barrel (pinned to the frame NOT welded as mentioned elsewhere in this thread) eliminates any barrel movement. This combined with the gas retardation locking system allows the height of the pistol to be kept very low (when compared to conventional tilting barrel pistols with hammers) and into the hand helping to control recoil and increase the speed of multiple shots.
-Ambi mag release of the M8 and M13 makes for easy use from either hand
-One of the most accurate 9mm combat pistols ever made regardless of size
-Very flat and smooth profile – great for inside the pants concealed carry
-Loaded chamber extractor indicates a round present in the chamber
-Absence of an exposed hammer provides for an “inside the pocket surprise” to any attacker
-The grip to bore angle is optimized to match that of the human hand to improve natural aim while at the same time reducing the angle of cartridge feed into the chamber to20improve reliability
-A very reliable handgun IF PROPERLY MAINITAINED
-Passes the NATO 2 meter drop safety test with ease
-Poly bore is a breeze to clean
-P7's in service with DOE users have more than 60,000 rounds on the major components - VERY durable weapon
-No fitting of any parts required for exchange


CONS
-Expense for spare mags and parts and new production pistols. The used German retread P7 PSP’s are generally good buys
-Slide retraction force due to the strong recoil spring is difficult for some to operate, especially women and those with weak hands.
-Gas retardation system requires special maintenance and can wear in time requiring exchange of the gas piston. Not a pistol you can or should fire lead bullets in as some lead will melt and collect into the back end of the gas cylinder affecting operation.
-The gas system does heat up the frame in 50+ rounds which does bother some on the practice range. But keep in mind it was designed for a gunfight first and foremost and they are on average over in seconds and with only a few rounds fired.
-Standard blued finish is not great for concealed carry
-Recessed slide lock is one of the most hated features on all P7’s. Hard for many to actuate and with gloves forget it. Again though it comes back to its intended purpose – gun fighting and no one cares about the slide lock then – the slide releases on the P7 is the cocking lever.
-Not a good choice in dusty, s andy or salt water/surf environments
-While .40 S&W P7M10's were made, and the .22 LR/32 ACP/.380 P7K3's also, you are limited to 9x19mm mostly.
-Can be ammo sensitive - prefers NATO style ammo from 115-124 grain weight. Does not like 147's generally.
-Fewer holster, night sight choices available and attaching a tac light to a P7 is very problematic
-Gas cylinders cannot be exchanged if need be in the US. Would have to go back to Germany.

Helmut Weldle, the P7’s designer, designed the P7 specifically to give the user the advantage in a gunfight (fast and accurate on target, quick to reload, easy to make safe and fire under stress, instinctual to aim) and designed it from a plain sheet of paper considering all aspects of a gun fight. “Form follows function”. It’s a gun fighters gun, not one for the local practice range. If you are just looking for a weekend range gun, buy a Glock or something cheaper and easier to maintain.

[Derespina Knives]

nyeti, WOW! You laid it out as plain as day. Thanks!

[nyeti]

Credit goes to Jim Schatz. I have similar time on the system....Jim worked at Hk for 25 years and did a very good job of laying this out and is right on the money.

[Rover]

Definately a weapon for gunfighters. If you're looking for a toy you should look elsewhere.

[PIC]

Great looking H&k Rover!!:devilzeek congrats on the score!:devil1:

[rbmcmjr]

-P7's in service with DOE users have more than 60,000 rounds on the major components - VERY durable weapon

The DOE guard force at my place of employment recently (maybe 18 months ago or so) had to give up their P7M13s and start using Glocks instead. They are not very happy about it.

Rick

[CJF]

I couldn't get this to go on the P.M.'s to those interested. This is the best Pro/Con out their for this gun written by what is probably the foremost expert on long term sustained use and carry:

PROS
-It is one of the fastest pistols to place into action and make "safe" due to the unique cocking lever design which also acts as the ambi slide release.
-It is totally ambidextrous as other than the front mounted cocking lever it has not external controls to deal with during firing
-It is either cocked and ready to fire or uncocked and "safe" (to holster, etc.) even with a round chambered
-The cocking lever design provides a single action trigger pull for each and every shot
-There is no sequence required to fire the pistol – as long as you squeeze the cocking lever and trigger together or in20either order the pistol will fire
-The design is somewhat uncommon so some folks cannot operate it. That has saved documented countless lives where a child or someone with ill intent who took the P7 could not make it fire at the owner. I know of at least 6 cases where the P7 saved the owners life.
-The cocking lever is difficult (takes 12-14 pounds of pressure to squeeze initially and only @ 2 to keep it cocked) but not impossible for a young child to operate so it tends to have an additional built-in “safety margin”
-The fixed barrel (pinned to the frame NOT welded as mentioned elsewhere in this thread) eliminates any barrel movement. This combined with the gas retardation locking system allows the height of the pistol to be kept very low (when compared to conventional tilting barrel pistols with hammers) and into the hand helping to control recoil and increase the speed of multiple shots.
-Ambi mag release of the M8 and M13 makes for easy use from either hand
-One of the most accurate 9mm combat pistols ever made regardless of size
-Very flat and smooth profile – great for inside the pants concealed carry
-Loaded chamber extractor indicates a round present in the chamber
-Absence of an exposed hammer provides for an “inside the pocket surprise” to any attacker
-The grip to bore angle is optimized to match that of the human hand to improve natural aim while at the same time reducing the angle of cartridge feed into the chamber to20improve reliability
-A very reliable handgun IF PROPERLY MAINITAINED
-Passes the NATO 2 meter drop safety test with ease
-Poly bore is a breeze to clean
-P7's in service with DOE users have more than 60,000 rounds on the major components - VERY durable weapon
-No fitting of any parts required for exchange


CONS
-Expense for spare mags and parts and new production pistols. The used German retread P7 PSP’s are generally good buys
-Slide retraction force due to the strong recoil spring is difficult for some to operate, especially women and those with weak hands.
-Gas retardation system requires special maintenance and can wear in time requiring exchange of the gas piston. Not a pistol you can or should fire lead bullets in as some lead will melt and collect into the back end of the gas cylinder affecting operation.
-The gas system does heat up the frame in 50+ rounds which does bother some on the practice range. But keep in mind it was designed for a gunfight first and foremost and they are on average over in seconds and with only a few rounds fired.
-Standard blued finish is not great for concealed carry
-Recessed slide lock is one of the most hated features on all P7’s. Hard for many to actuate and with gloves forget it. Again though it comes back to its intended purpose – gun fighting and no one cares about the slide lock then – the slide releases on the P7 is the cocking lever.
-Not a good choice in dusty, s andy or salt water/surf environments
-While .40 S&W P7M10's were made, and the .22 LR/32 ACP/.380 P7K3's also, you are limited to 9x19mm mostly.
-Can be ammo sensitive - prefers NATO style ammo from 115-124 grain weight. Does not like 147's generally.
-Fewer holster, night sight choices available and attaching a tac light to a P7 is very problematic
-Gas cylinders cannot be exchanged if need be in the US. Would have to go back to Germany.

Helmut Weldle, the P7’s designer, designed the P7 specifically to give the user the advantage in a gunfight (fast and accurate on target, quick to reload, easy to make safe and fire under stress, instinctual to aim) and designed it from a plain sheet of paper considering all aspects of a gun fight. “Form follows function”. It’s a gun fighters gun, not one for the local practice range. If you are just looking for a weekend range gun, buy a Glock or something cheaper and easier to maintain.


What a great read nyeti, thanks!