Feces Discussion (Moved from "Books")

[Dr Mabuse]

i would like to know your thoughts on the omnipresent feces idea DD...

a bit of history... until around 1900 human beings in whole wiped themselves with their fingers... it was in the 1850's that the first sanitation paper was invented... but wasn't used widely until into the 1900's pretty good... think of the infection in say the civil war, WW1 tooo... well all those doctors and patients had their hands dipped in feces and never washed... it's not complicated hwy infection killed so many...from the Sumerian brewers of approx 7000 BC to around 1920 fingers were the way... this left fecal matter and bacteria omnipresent in any human gathering... as hand sanitation is not a truth of today... this day today... 6 out of every 10 people you will meet and shake hands with... use a computer or door handle after has not washed their hands after leaving the restroom... in actual culture testing done by the CDC and affiliates done all over the US... the filthiest thing in a restroom is the door handle from the inside leading out... it's covered in feces and other assorted bacteria, in women's rooms as much fecal as vaginal, which is rich in around 17-19 forms of Streptococcae for one quick instance... i am amazed how many live in complete ignorance of this... 6 out of 10 people you are in touch with in all areas of your life don't wash after the bathroom... this kinda knowledge is a personal hell for me... so many things i wish i didn't know and could forget...

polio is a disease of anti-septic creation... when feces was in the water and all over the city from lack of plumbing and hygiene... people essentially having feces covered hands and never ever washing them so it was smeared everywhere... human immune systems were very strong from the constant consumption of, and exposure to feces in all it's glory... polio only came after that exposure was lessened... no joke... it's a disease born of cleanliness...

btw in an airport for instance... the filthiest place is the black rubber 'rails' on the walkers and escalators... touching those is in effect inserting your digits in an anus... one CDC man said he would eat a sandwich off the inside of a toilet in an airport bathroom before he ate after touching those rails... i watch people just grab em up and then wipe their eyes and touch their face and etc.... i tell you knowledge can be a fuckin' curse... 'happy is the fool' as was said of old... of course, not knowing you are bathing in a world of stranger's feces does not make anyone a fool... it's a larger point...

the handles on a cart at walmart or grocery store?... that's right... just go pick out a stranger and stick your hands in their ass... a fella can go insane i tell you...

the keyboards at computers in an office are in fact a human rectum in whole... the only thing more completely filthy than the door handles leaving the restroom in an office is the keyboards at a workstation...

6 outta 10... think about that... yes it's a fact... women worse than men in many studies... their all a bunch of moronic shit-handed fools out there...

i feel like screaming 'Soylent Green is feces!!!! it's feces!!!' at the top of my lungs...

um... since this is books...

Alexandre Dumas' 'The Count of Monte Cristo' is one of the best times you can have reading... Villefort... Danglars... Morcerf/Mondego... you'll know those names when finished...

[Poolshark]

i would like to know your thoughts on the omnipresent feces idea DD...

a bit of history... until around 1900 human beings in whole wiped themselves with their fingers 6 outta 10... think about that... yes it's a fact... women worse than men in many studies... their all a bunch of moronic shit-handed fools out there...

...

I am not sure how most tribal types would have dealt with toilet matters but I do know that the Romans used a sponge on a stick (which they shared...eww) As far as six out of ten..I am proud to say you can shake my hand with confidence. I have worked with children and emotionally disturbed folks for too long and I figure everything is tainted so I am an almost compulsive hand-washer.

And on books..Kagen rocks. I enjoyed his History of Warfare. Faces of battle by ...I think it was Keegan, is also a good book on war.

[Umberto]

you know long posts confuse me.

so, eating feces is good or bad?

[Dr Mabuse]

very few romans did this... nice on the history there...

most even in the roman group were Creedys 'finger men'...

[Dr Mabuse]

you know long posts confuse me.

so, eating feces is good or bad?

classic..

[ded i]

i would like to know your thoughts on the omnipresent feces idea DD...



I've thought about feces a lot actually. First let me say that your initial ripost was a thing of beauty and I've asked xray (who is in Boston - so it might take a bit) to pop us into a new thread devoted to the subject of excrement & containment thereof -

So shortly there will be a thread devoted to these posts called: Doc Mabuse's Feces

The treatment of feces is the most interesting part of this topic and it really is an historical subject as waste is what limited the size of medieval cities and waste management is what allows many people to live together. I'll have more on that later.

I wash my hands frequently because I work with toxic stuff - cadmium, lead, turps and other solvents. I never learned to paint with gloves (as is now taught) but I did learn to get it off quickly since absorbed metals and solvents easily become systemic. That learned cleanliness carries over to the times I'm not painting. I never touch bathroom doors - I use a tissue or towel to open the door and throw it away immediately. If I need to touch rails in public places, I do the same.

:kingkaxt:

[silenthunterstudios]

Taking this discussion further off track, anyone remember the Seinfeld episode where the Italian restaurant owner tells Jerry he's going to make him a great pasta dish, and Jerry sees him in the bathroom, walk out of the stall, and not wash his hands?

Well, when I was working at Walmart, the bakery manager walked out of the john without washing his hands. I looked at the sink as he was walking past me, and his words were "Oh, thats overrated."

Yeah, Walmarts bakery hath no glory for me...

[ded i]

London, in the 1850's, had about 100,000 people who made a living from scavenging. Included were bone-pickers, mud-larks, sewer-hunters, toshers, night soil men, and pure-finders.

Pure-finders specialized in dog shit (the colloquially called "pure") which they would sell to tanners who used it to remove lime (a three week soaking in lime removed hair from animal hides.)

Toshers walked the banks of the river in early morning with a light strapped to their chest - they picked up copper. Mud-larks were children who picked up the bits of rope or coal which were too small for the Toshers. Of course they were walking in river mud mixed with feces from outhouses placed above or at the edge of the river.

Most London houses of that time had cess pools. Poor sections of town had houses with courtyards so overflowing with human sewage the inhabitants used stone blocks to walk above the flow.

"Night soil" collectors (also called "rakers" and "gong-fermors" were independant contractors who worked the graveyard shift in teams of four: a "ropeman" a "holeman" and two "tubmen." They'd put a light at the edge of the cesspit and begin scooping it out with a tub. Eventually, enough was removed so they could use a ladder, then the holeman would descend, fill the tub, the ropeman would help pull it up, and the tubmen would take it to their cart.

It was standard practice to offer the night soil team a bottle of gin. They did three or four a night so they were pretty wasted by early morning hours.

The "night soil" was sold to farmers to fertilize the fields used for growing vegetables for buyers in the city. So much for vegetarianism.

[Umberto]

this thread is kinda shitty.

[MJ]

this thread is kinda shitty.

:bobert:

No pun intended huh?

[silenthunterstudios]

Lends new meaning to "don't step in the bullshit".

[BigJim]

I just had a crap and washed my hand twice after reading this. Then I faced the Door knob..... ALONE!!!

So Doc just how dangerous is the Ass to mouth porn so popular right now?

Ahhhh Ron wanted to know? :devilzeek

[Poolshark]

I just acquired a spectacular case of Gastro-enteritis. My kid who is less scrupulous in his fecal avoidance than I am, hosed me in vomit from head to toe about 36 hours ago and now I am wrecked. I cant imagine how awful it would be if it werent for modern plumbing.

[MJ]

I just acquired a spectacular case of Gastro-enteritis. My kid who is less scrupulous in his fecal avoidance than I am, hosed me in vomit from head to toe about 36 hours ago and now I am wrecked. I cant imagine how awful it would be if it werent for modern plumbing.

Wow!!!! It almost sounds like a special bonding moment, but, not really. I hope you feel better soon. :)

[BigJim]

Wow!!!! It almost sounds like a special bonding movement, but, not really. :)

Fixed

[ded i]

In a book about the 1850's cholera epidemic in London (pretty dark reading mostly) there's a section of actual letters published in era newspapers.

People suffered from gastric upset and diarrhea because of the (literal) shit they were eating, and the surgeon-in-chief of the city police wrote to the paper touting his fail-safe remedy - Laudanum! (Morphine/Heroin laced popular elixer)

Police Chief goes on to say:

" ... If any corroborative testimorny of its efficacy be further required, I would ask those who might be skeptical of its merits to call at any one of the police stations in the city of London, where a supply of the medicine is kept and satisfy themselves of the estimation in which it is held by members of the force ..."

:yesman: :ssmile:

[Dr Mabuse]

So Doc just how dangerous is the Ass to mouth porn so popular right now?



ok 'ass to mouth porn'?...

and it's 'popular'?... with Bossman of course :jdwink2:

if you mean people are using the bathroom in other people's mouths this is , of course quite dangerous and blindness, and severe poisoning, and even death can be the result... if you mean like... well hell i'm not sure what you, i mean Ron, means... licking asses?... if it's that... thats actually common and has been for thousands of years... you'll eat as much fecal bacteria as that would bring today anyway...

more on the idea humans are always exposed to fecal bacteria... it's everywhere... you are wiping your eyes with it every day... and it's on the tables and chairs and door handles at restaurants you are indeed eating it... it's omnipresent... every person reading this has consumed fecal bacteria today in their mouth... put it in their nose... wiped it on their face... in their ears... you are probably typing on it at work if you are there now... unless you have wiped down that keyboard thoroughly with anti-bacterial wipes on a fairly regular basis...... in between the keys as much as on top...

everyone remembers the recent e coli outbreak in spinach and etc... that is fecal bacteria... that we bred in our bodies by use of antibiotics to this new stronger more dangerous strain we cope with today... so in the truest sense we are steeped in fecal matter... e coli is fecal bacteria bred into a 'super' strain that will live longer and resist the human immune system's means of killing it when ingested because it mutated with antibiotics...

another thought to leave you with... know why strawberries are one of the most dangerous foods for e coli?... the 'migrant farm workers' ( :jdwink2: ) that pick them out in those fields have to use the bathroom... and you all know they don't have plumbing facilities in the middle of a massive field in california for instance... so the feces on their hands is on the fruit and 'hides' in the seed areas and isn't easily washed off... in fact... think of ALL the food picked in the field while that 'feces covered picking hand' is in your mind...

you eat the stuff every day...

truly 'ignorance is bliss'... i realize a new depth to that statement as i get older... 'happy is the fool'...

knowledge can be a personal hell in myriad ways...

'for in much wisdom is much grief... and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow...'

i search far and wide... and return to those as some of the wisest words ever spoken or written...

we're up to our proverbial 'asses' in feces people...

[Dr Mabuse]

In a book about the 1850's cholera epidemic in London (pretty dark reading mostly) there's a section of actual letters published in era newspapers.

People suffered from gastric upset and diarrhea because of the (literal) shit they were eating, and the surgeon-in-chief of the city police wrote to the paper touting his fail-safe remedy - Laudanum! (Morphine/Heroin laced popular elixer)

Police Chief goes on to say:

" ... If any corroborative testimorny of its efficacy be further required, I would ask those who might be skeptical of its merits to call at any one of the police stations in the city of London, where a supply of the medicine is kept and satisfy themselves of the estimation in which it is held by members of the force ..."

:yesman: :ssmile:

well opium causes contraction of the colon and 'dries' the body out in several ways.... even paragoric was a lot of opium and people drank that stuff to get the 2-4 grains of opium depending on how much... until the rather new drugs like loperamide came about opium was it... and opium works really well... but will not stop like... amoebic dysentery or the likes...

anyone who 'rides the horse' knows of the associated constipation...

i've had several bottles of laudenum... that's weird, wild stuff... btw...

[SZiehr]

Here is a point to ponder - even with the nasty doorknobs, chopping carts and keyboards, life today is much cleaner than at any point in history. Question is, is our immune system stronger now or weaker since we are not exposed to the levels of germs that we were in earlier days?

[ded i]

I'm just enjoying that we have a chief law enforcement official writing into the daily paper essentially to encourage people to ingest heroin to treat their upset stomachs - and if the readers don't believe him, thy should head down to their local squad house to hear firsthand how highly regarded the "medicine" is by the police force.

:bwah:

[ded i]

Here is a point to ponder - even with the nasty doorknobs, chopping carts and keyboards, life today is much cleaner than at any point in history. Question is, is our immune system stronger now or weaker since we are not exposed to the levels of germs that we were in earlier days?

Our immune systems are weaker in some ways -because we aren't exposed to the levels of earlier dirtier times - more but lower level exposure builds up immunity. HOWEVER - bacteria have also become stronger and more immune to the drugs used to kill them.

Also, the bugs have short lifespans and can "evolve" quickly into real killer bacteria (and virus) - long before humans, through generations, adapt.

It's happening as we speak. We're due for a bad bug to hit any time now.

[Dr Mabuse]

Here is a point to ponder - even with the nasty doorknobs, chopping carts and keyboards, life today is much cleaner than at any point in history. Question is, is our immune system stronger now or weaker since we are not exposed to the levels of germs that we were in earlier days?

well i kinda covered that a bit in the first post...

polio is easily... by a very great margin... the clearest example of this... yes the immune system is very much less able in today's average joe...

some of the the people i know in post doctoral infectious medicine and really cutting edge research expose their children to two things... breast milk for at least 2 full years to get the genetic history... and a not so sanitized environment that so many parents pursue today... they let their children get sick and don't leap to antibiotics right away... knowing full well their children will be stronger later... and they are... just like the 'magical' 1.5 years window of growing and forming new neural nets in a child... where any language is learned with no accent... and any stimulus actually grows new nerve paths in the brain... every food tasted and every smell experienced does the same... then later the myelin sheath forms and that child will have those resources for the rest of their life... in truth a child who tastes garlic very young has a more profound taste experience than anyone who tries it later ever will... hence 'cultural' cuisine... though 'culture' is a word often used when the physiology is not known... it's the formation of the mind that develops our differences... and truly those minds are very different hence we have problems with things... the idea of the 'tower of babel' is more than language and more than many ever happen upon to think about... anyway later other things in life will 'hop' or use those circuits and the child is indeed smarter at a physiological level... hearing Mozart and Haydn in that first 1.5 years forms circuits that are 'hopped' by math and science later in life... in the old days the children of royalty heard more languages, of course, and tasted and smelled more foods. etc... etc... and they were indeed 'smarter' than the 'regular' people or serfs... the morons interpreted this as the 'superior' royal bloodline of course... just like the 'tiger woods' effect of learning something young... immune systems have that same 'magical' ability to learn and grow when young... lack of the filth makes them less 'educated' than they once were... though infant mortality was the high cost of tuition in that game...

children touching their own waste or 'germy' things may well be important natural instinct... there are things... well like some iguana species have to actually eat the feces of an adult to get the digestive bacteria into their own GI tract... if they do not eat that material they will die... many things like that, and variations on that, in nature...

'filth' and 'germs' teach... and a body 'learns' in a profound way... just in a way some might not think of ordinarily as 'teaching' and 'learning'...

well i digressed there but what the hell... yes we have less developed immune systems now... but we are shielded by medicine until... the natural course of nature provides the mutating protein 'key' to thinning the herd...

[ded i]

... just like the 'magical' 1.5 years window of growing and forming new neural nets in a child... where any language is learned with no accent... and any stimulus actually grows new nerve paths in the brain...

...

Why people born blind can never learn to see.

Research shows that early left eye vision provides stimulation for the brain to build the architecture for recognition. An infant born with little or no vision in the left eye - or if the left eye is damaged before age 2 - will have a lifelong problem with recognition of familiar people, etc.

Infants with right eye damage don't have that problem. Neural net formation "windows" can be very specific.

[Dr Mabuse]

Why people born blind can never learn to see.

Research shows that early left eye vision provides stimulation for the brain to build the architecture for recognition. An infant born with little or no vision in the left eye - or if the left eye is damaged before age 2 - will have a lifelong problem with recognition of familiar people, etc.

Infants with right eye damage don't have that problem. Neural net formation "windows" can be very specific.

indeed...

cool stuff DD...

[dfarmerknives]

Why people born blind can never learn to see.

Research shows that early left eye vision provides stimulation for the brain to build the architecture for recognition. An infant born with little or no vision in the left eye - or if the left eye is damaged before age 2 - will have a lifelong problem with recognition of familiar people, etc.

Infants with right eye damage don't have that problem. Neural net formation "windows" can be very specific.

I did not know that ded i. I was born with right eye "problems" and subsequent trauma, that took many surgeries as a child to correct. While my continuing problems are not with recognition, I have extreme difficulty with peripheral vision and depth perseption. Worth an investigative look. Thanks.

The rest of this thread is shitty, though....:kingkaxt:

[ded i]

Yeah I yelled "Eureka" when I saw that one in Science News - and the author was kind enough to answer me when I e-mailed her. That left eye "recognition" window continues developing until about age 18.

I'd like to hear your depth perception anomalies David Farmer ...

:bot:

Waste material usually determines how large an organism (including a congregation of humans/city) can grow. Recycling waste isn't a new proposition. Calcium is a waste product of many biological organisms and Earth entities have backbones today because biological predecessors learned to recycle and restructure calcium waste into bones and teeth.

[Dr Mabuse]

the toothbrush you will next use is growing a fecal bacteria colony... EVERY one of them... every person in america will brush their teeth with feces tonight... unless you just opened a new one...

the Mythbusters did a show on it... because in fact the truth is this....

"There are 120 viruses, including Hepatitis A, that live in feces. When you flush the toilet, water droplets containing more than 25,000 virus particles and 600,000 bacteria fly from the bowl, hover for a few hours, then finally land on surfaces as far away as six feet. Closing the toilet lid won't help, the next time it's opened, a cloud of virus-carrying water particles will burst out. (Toothbrushes are a common target of this vapor.) For a truly clean toilet, regular disinfectants won't do, so you will have to spray lab alcohol in the bowl and light it. A flambeed toilet bowl is guaranteed to be bug free for at least one flush! (Do not try this with a plastic bowl.)

The lowdown and dirty on women's restrooms: public women's restrooms are twice as germ-laden as men's. Women spend more time in the bathroom, and also bring in children, who are mobile bacterial hot zones. The dirtiest places are, in order: exterior of the sanitary napkin disposal bin; the floor around the toilet; the sink and taps; the toilet seat; the flush handle. 48% of women line the toilet seat with either the paper seat covers or toilet paper. American women use the most toilet paper in the world - seven sheets per visit (I feel like a horrible spendthrift, having clocked myself at an extravagant 18) - while the British come in second - 3.9 sheets per visit. The middle stall in a public bathroom is usually the most contaminated, while the first is the least contaminated.

In many American homes, the toilet may be cleaner than the kitchen sink. The reason is that people use disinfectants on toilets but allow sponges and food residue to remain in kitchen sinks for days, even weeks. Fecal bacteria are often found in kitchen sinks..."

the Mythbusters confirmed this... as they found it an outrageous claim... they even used a toothbrush once... then but it in a sealed container as a control group... the sealed brushes were growing fecal bacteria when tested... after one use and then being sealed... the tester told them the contamination was already in their mouth when they opened and used them... the toothbrush left exposed in the bathroom was COVERED in fecal bacteria and several other noxious compounds when tested... you could tell this really freaked out the Mythbuster guys... my toothbrush is in my bedroom for around 25 years now... long before this 'germ' stuff got started into popular...

this goes back to an earlier post i made about the CDC tester who did the cultures in an airport said he would rather eat a sandwich off the inside of the toilet that after touching the door handles... or another one of the filthiest things in the world the rails on the escalator and moving walkways... the buttons in the elevator are never cleaned... after touching them just turn to the nearest stranger and stick your fingers in their ass... there is NO difference...

i had made an earlier post about the myth in our culture that women are 'cleaner' than men or have better hygiene habits... in simple clinical testing females are vaginal and fecal bacteria covered germ cultures... hence all the perfume... all women's bathrooms are much filthier down to and including their makeup from the bathroom... women put feces right on their eyelashes and lips every day in their makeup... and then go off to talk about how 'dirty' and stuff men are...

"In New York city, bacteria found in fecal matter were identified on the screen of an automated bank machine, the back of a taxi cab, and on a headset in a 3D movie theater. Flesh-eating bacteria were found on the mouthpiece of a pay phone. On a movie theater seat, researchers found vaginal bacteria. "

your atm visit is truly dipping your fingertips in an ass...

in the south...

"Roundworms live in the southern United States, and can grow to more than a foot long in a human host. They flourish in human feces, or 'night soil', and if you breathe in roundworm eggs or eat contaminated food, the egg will mature inside your body. If there are too many roundworms in a human host, they have been known to exit through the mouth, nose, or anus. An estimated one billion people carry roundworms."

how about your laundry?... your covered in feces...

"A single pair of underwear contains, on average, one-tenth to 10 grams (!?!) of fecal matter containing, among other things, the rotavirus, which causes diarrhea, and the hepatitis virus. [I hope that 10 grams was in a diaper.] Washing underwear with other clothes simply distributes the fecal matter through the load. Infection from this matter most likely occurs while the clothes are being moved from the washer to the dryer; the dryer usually kills the harmful substances. Bleach helps kill the bacteria and viruses in the wash; so does disinfecting the washing machine by running an empty load of just detergent and bleach. In about 50% of homes studied, fecal matter was found in family washing machines."

notice fecal 'matter'... far more significant than mere fecal bacteria...

someone asked me about 'ass to mouth' porn... anytime you're south of the border on a women you are in germ central... just dismiss the idea of 'clean' or 'germs' from your mind... i mean the question itself already exposes a thought that the 'other' place is in anyway safer or more 'clean' than the back door... it isn't... and the vagina is bathed in fecal bacteria constantly so it grows very toxic cultures to prevent infection... every time a human passes gas they have 'exhaled' millions of fecal bacteria which literally covers the privates of males and females and their clothes... but since women have their 'business' closer... you guessed it...

when i said 'we are bathing in feces' i meant it...

ignorance is bliss...

[ded i]

... every time a human passes gas they have 'exhaled' millions of fecal bacteria which literally covers the privates of males and females and their clothes... but since women have their 'business' closer... you guessed it...

when i said 'we are bathing in feces' i meant it...

ignorance is bliss...

:bobert: Mabuse - are you still interested in sex? :madaddy:

[Rcbalt2]

Wow I just read this whole shitty thread.

[bigmark408]

wow mabuse im very impressed and you speak the truth,,,it's a shitty world so to speak,,,i spent most of my life training and working out,,,,a real heath nut and also a clean freak,,,i always keep bottles of denatured alchohol around and clean everything with it,,,but we must live and i do still eat at the Y,,,cant live in a bubble,,,,here is another topic for your skills,,,how about the very high percentage of asian folk that have hep B.

[BigJim]

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[Dr Mabuse]

wow mabuse im very impressed and you speak the truth,,,it's a shitty world so to speak,,,i spent most of my life training and working out,,,,a real heath nut and also a clean freak,,,i always keep bottles of denatured alchohol around and clean everything with it,,,but we must live and i do still eat at the Y,,,cant live in a bubble,,,,here is another topic for your skills,,,how about the very high percentage of asian folk that have hep B.

yeah man i do 'bite the bullet' and live... though i can tell you knowing stuff can drive you insane in many ways... i mean just look at the world... i do 'just live' as you say and that's a sound point...

and yes DD i dig the filth of women... :jdwink2: like Elaine said...

GEORGE: You said the guy gave you an open-lipped kiss!

ELAINE (enunciating clearly so George gets the point): Yes, but then he wiped his hand on the top of the bottle when I offered him water!

GEORGE: Well, that doesn't mean anything!

ELAINE: Are you kidding? That's very significant! If he was interested in me, he'd want my germs! He'd just crave my germs!

JERRY (patiently): She's right, George. Bottle-wipe is big.

GEORGE: Well, what about the open-lipped kiss?

JERRY: Bottle-wipe supercedes it.

knowing these things doesn't shape my behavior in large ways... i do make small changes according to this stuff...

though i find many people it does affect... they are happy just not knowing...

like when i tell people about the whole germ/fecal thing... what bologna and hot dogs and etc. are ACTUALLY made from... or why papa john's and pizza hut and domino's etc. can't LEGALLY call what they put on your pizza 'beef' or 'sausage'... they dodge this by adding the word 'topping' such as 'beef topping' or 'sausage topping'... or the factual truth about sushi and raw seafood and tapeworms spores... especially that those spores can get into the blood stream and hatch in the brain... or lungs... or inside the abdominal cavity and become fatal... the surgeries to remove them are not uncommon in the orient... i saw the video of a surgery in China where a 7 foot long tape worm was removed from the brain of the patient...

i don't eat sushi or hot dogs or bologna though...

on hep b in asians... thats the truth it is the highest in that community... some people even think of it as an asian malady... it isn't... the extremely high rates of the hep b is usually because of mothert to child infection during exposure to blood during birth, or exposure when young... so the infection is systemic in asia... the original infection source are the same as any other race... unprotected sex is easily the the largest infection source in the US...

remember this planet was colonized by the Telephone Sanitizers.... and remember what happened to The Golgafrinchans when they exiled the Telephone Sanitizers...


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[Rozz]

OK you have been warned. This is a VERY on topic for this thread.
The two girls in this video are exposed to some fecal matter.

DO NOT OPEN THIS LINK......

DO NOT OPEN THIS LINK AND THEN BITCH ABOUT IT

http://www.uselessjunk.com/article_full.php?id=19152

Ok, I have to disagree with you. This isn't Arts & Culture. If anything, it should be in Wierd Wide, or Ultra Hott (for some who think it is, me personally, not so much).

That's all. Not bitching, just sayin'.
:ssmile:

[BigJim]

Ok, I have to disagree with you. This isn't Arts & Culture. If anything, it should be in Wierd Wide, or Ultra Hott (for some who think it is, me personally, not so much).

That's all. Not bitching, just sayin'.
:ssmile:
Prolly right. But I would extend that to the entire thread. I think I will edit my link

[ded i]

The historical record of feces control is a huge factor influencing human culture.

Culture happens when humans congregate and, without electronic aids, they had to be in physical proximaty to exchange ideas. There had to be enough food and other resources to sustain large groups.

Waste recycling, ie, composting and manure spreading played a crucial role in early communities. Population size was limited by the fertility of nearby land. By plowing human feces and other organic waste back into fields, the people of early congregations were able support higher population density. The cooperation required to live together, feed and defend themselves, and deal with human complexity - fueled other innovations and (the extremely short story!) a significant human culture resulted.

[Dr Mabuse]

The historical record of feces control is a huge factor influencing human culture.

Culture happens when humans congregate and, without electronic aids, they had to be in physical proximaty to exchange ideas. There had to be enough food and other resources to sustain large groups.

Waste recycling, ie, composting and manure spreading played a crucial role in early communities. Population size was limited by the fertility of nearby land. By plowing human feces and other organic waste back into fields, the people of early congregations were able support higher population density. The cooperation required to live together, feed and defend themselves, and deal with human complexity - fueled other innovations and (the extremely short story!) a significant human culture resulted.

this is true...

but 'culture' as a word is kinda misunderstood...

in the earliest forms... civilization (maybe better word?) came for the ancient river valley gatherings... as the soil was rich from the river and associated vegetation living and dying...

far and away the nile valley was the most prominent... this was the only place on earth where 2 harvests happened in a year... this was the first time on a large scale people had time for anything except raw survival... when men had time to sit around and think we have the birth of civilization...

to a lesser extent the 'fertile crescent' up in the moder middle east was a birth of civilization... the Sumerians and all... but to a lesser extent than the Egyptian examples...

[bigmark408]

Ok, I have to disagree with you. This isn't Arts & Culture. If anything, it should be in Wierd Wide, or Ultra Hott (for some who think it is, me personally, not so much).

That's all. Not bitching, just sayin'.
:ssmile:

Ros you are correct but in BJ's sick twisted world i believe that he believe's freak shit is Arts & Culture:spin:

[Rozz]

The historical record of feces control is a huge factor influencing human culture.




Yeah, but farting semen out of one's anus dose'nt seem historically recorded as an influential moment. Ya know?

[BigJim]

Yeah, but farting semen out of one's anus dose'nt seem historically recorded as an influential moment. Ya know?


It most certianly is.... I have the film clip to prove it. :bwah:

[Rozz]

It most certianly is.... I have the film clip to prove it. :bwah:

plz tell\show.

[BigJim]

plz tell\show.


:deadevil: Its the link I already posted. That you quoted and we are talking about now.. Are you Drinking young lady?

[Rozz]

:deadevil: Its the link I already posted. That you quoted and we are talking about now.. Are you Drinking young lady?


LOL...No.....I'm in denial.:deadevil:

[Dr Mabuse]

By Jeanie Lerche Davis
WebMD Medical News

June 23, 2004 -- Disgusted by Port-A-Potties? Freaked out by fast-food restrooms? Believe it or not, picnic tables and ATMs may harbor more germs.

A new report puts our germ fears into perspective. In a nationwide telephone survey of 1,000 adults, each adult was asked to rate the surfaces they considered germy. Those answers were then compared with real studies of bacteria on various surfaces.

You guessed it: The bulk of germs are hiding where you least suspect -- playground equipment, the phone receiver, ATMs, and elevator buttons.

"This survey shows that people have a false sense of security when it comes to germs," says Charles Gerba, a.k.a. "Dr. Germ," a professor of environmental microbiology at the University of Arizona, in a news release.

It's a real health problem, because 80% of infections are spread by hand, Gerba says. The solution is proper hand hygiene with soap and water or an alcohol-based sanitizer, he says.

Among his survey's findings:

* 64% think public restroom doorknobs have more germs than a typical ATM but a typical ATM has been proven to have more germs because of the number of dirty hands that touch each of these items.
* 75% think the toilet seats in fast food restaurants have the most germs -- but airplane toilet seats are worse.
* 76% assumed that Port-A-Potties were off-the-chart germ wise -- but picnic tables actually have more germs.

The germ facts:

* At home, the kitchen sink is one of the places with the most germs -- harboring more germs than the bathroom. The most contaminated sites are those that tend to remain moist. The dishcloth, toilet bowl, garbage can, refrigerator, and bathroom doorknob are also high on the list.
* At work, phone receivers harbor more germs than any surface -- even more than the toilet seats. Desktops, keyboards, and elevator buttons are also on the workplace top germ-covered list.
* In public places, playground equipment, escalator handrails, shopping cart handles, picnic tables, and Port-A-Potties are top germ carriers.

Also, only 17% of Americans wash their hands after shaking hands -- yet 51% wash them after sneezing or coughing. It's part of the misconception that germs are spread in the air rather than by hand contact.

[Dr Mabuse]

remember i mentioned shopping cart handles at wallyworld and the grocery store?... just think to yourself... "my hands are in an ass" every time you touch a cart... worse than rubbing your hands in a toilet in a public restroom... the fact that they outdo those escalator rails is news to me... unreal...

Feb. 8, 2007 — Grocery store shopping cart handles have more germs than public restrooms, making them one of the worst public places for germs, according to researchers.

It's a problem that at least one state, Arkansas, is trying to address, by passing a law forcing stores to clean up their carts.

How germy could shopping carts really be? Very, according to researchers at the University of Arizona who tested all kinds of public surfaces. They found that shopping carts were loaded with more saliva, bacteria and even fecal matter than escalators, public telephones, and even public bathrooms.

The only surfaces that had more germs were playground equipment and bus rails.

The Arkansas law will push grocery stores to provide sanitation wipes at the door so customers don't have to wrap their hands around the last shopper's bacteria.

"When I was campaigning, many of my constituents brought it to my attention [that] many shopping carts could possibly have germs and contamination on them," Rep. Fred Allen, D-Ark., told "Good Morning America."

"Every kid in America teethes on shopping cart handles," said Dr. Chuck Gerba at the University of Arizona. "They don't have the best sanitary habits. … I mean, you're putting your broccoli where their butt was."

That's why Amanda Gutstadt always carries sanitizer when she shops with her son Max, especially during flu season.

Even a fifth-grader can detect the germs. Nicole Shaw's testing of shopping carts Wednesday night won her a spot in the North Carolina Regional Science Fair.

"When I found the E.coli, I thought it was pretty nasty," she said. "I am working on getting a patent on my shopping cart cleaning system."

Some supermarkets already offer wipes, but if yours does not, germ experts say the smartest thing to do is wash your hands and your child's hands after you leave.

[ded i]

this is true...

but 'culture' as a word is kinda misunderstood...

in the earliest forms... civilization (maybe better word?)

Culture is the systems of knowledge shared by a group of people; it includes communication, the deposit and totality of knowledge & experience which is socially transmitted.

"Civilization" is a bit different, but just in degree, I think, in that it describes a culture with more organization.


.... ancient river valley gatherings... as the soil was rich from the river and associated vegetation living and dying...
far and away the nile valley was the most prominent... this was the only place on earth where 2 harvests happened in a year... this was the first time on a large scale people had time for anything except raw survival... when men had time to sit around and think we have the birth of civilization...
...

And ancient river deltas were fertile because the rivers overflowed, deposited, and mixed organic elements - fish shit, people shit, foliage and minerals - onto the riverbank which made the soil fertile. That the system was "natural" doesn't negate the process which was recycling nutrients to compost or enrich the soil.

Thereby allowing high-density population and a resultant culture.
But, the point is, although we're talking about the same type of human advancement - it became possible through both systems of waste management.

The two systems seem very different, but in reality are directly related.

It doesn't matter if one system was "natural" and one an artifact. Large groups of humans can congregate and share knowledge only when there is a waste control system in place, so they (as you've written) have time for something other than feeding themselves.

So, we're still on topic.

bigjim's vid is appropriate only in that it describes a segment of culture. It's not really talking about the culture of shit - it is describing a small part of the distinct cultural phenomenon of pornography.

I directed the thread to "feces" management - but bacterial interactions are integral to any discussion of feces. Bacteria is the agent of "waste management" for any type of feces. All of our technogical advancements in dealing with fecal recycling are dependent on bacteria.

[nigel_hell]

The historical record of feces control is a huge factor influencing human culture.

Culture happens when humans congregate and, without electronic aids, they had to be in physical proximaty to exchange ideas. There had to be enough food and other resources to sustain large groups.

Waste recycling, ie, composting and manure spreading played a crucial role in early communities. Population size was limited by the fertility of nearby land. By plowing human feces and other organic waste back into fields, the people of early congregations were able support higher population density. The cooperation required to live together, feed and defend themselves, and deal with human complexity - fueled other innovations and (the extremely short story!) a significant human culture resulted.

Ded i I don't think I've ever heard such elequent academizing of doodoos before. You crack me up Poopy Professor, and taught me a little something. Does this apply to Tim's fart in the station wagon...what was the Latvian word for fart again? That was a congregation of artists all in one car trying to be proper when the air was ripe, it doesn't get funnier.

[ded i]

I'm available for the lecture series ... :bwah:

Tim holds the record for our vehicle :yesman:

[Glenn]

the handles on a cart at walmart or grocery store?... that's right... just go pick out a stranger and stick your hands in their ass..

UMMM , no thanks. :ropeman:

[norcal13]

i miss mabuse.

[ded i]

i miss mabuse.

He became too shitty for words ... lol

But yeah, he knew his shit :bwah: