Traditional Art

[ded i]

I got a request for some "traditional" landscape and still life - and I don't have too much - at least not in easily accessible digital images. If anyone else has some "traditional" art we'd like to see it.

Here's a painting of an old Mill near my house:
http://www.judysimons.com/images/Houcks_Mill_2a.jpg

[nigel_hell]

I love the painting of the Mill, I miss the old Anarchy symbol that used to grace its front door.

By the way have I mentioned how wonderfully disturbing your eye avatar is? I love it.

[ded i]

I love the painting of the Mill, I miss the old Anarchy symbol that used to grace its front door.

By the way have I mentioned how wonderfully disturbing your eye avatar is? I love it.

Isn't that fabulous - BennyTheBlade made that!

[silenthunterstudios]

I love the painting of the Mill, I miss the old Anarchy symbol that used to grace its front door.

By the way have I mentioned how wonderfully disturbing your eye avatar is? I love it.

Nigel_, are you in Hazard County?

[ded i]

Nigel_, are you in Hazard County?

Nigel_Hell grew up in Hazzard County - very close to us, SHS, but she lives in PA now.

[ericsgreen]

whew judy, totally wicked :madaddy:

I am kind flustered that I see these digital images but I dont know what they are really, what kind of paint or whatever photo and such and how big are they?:ssmile:

since we are talking about your eye :jdwink2: I saw you talk about how you and others didnt know if you could still be the same as you were, do you know yet, is it just the same, I cant imagine anything would be much difffernt sitting still and up close?

[silenthunterstudios]

I love the painting, but I can't for the life of me remember where that mill is. I know I've seen it before, maybe it just looks like other mills I've seen.

[ded i]

whew judy, totally wicked :madaddy:

I am kind flustered that I see these digital images but I dont know what they are really, what kind of paint or whatever photo and such and how big are they?:ssmile:

since we are talking about your eye :jdwink2: I saw you talk about how you and others didnt know if you could still be the same as you were, do you know yet, is it just the same, I cant imagine anything would be much difffernt sitting still and up close?

Houcks Mill is oil paint on canvas, it is 24x18" and it was painted in 2002.

I'm not sure I understand the question about my eye. When I had two eyes I had depth perception which makes it easier for the brain to calculate distance and angles. Now, without depth perception, I use simple strategies to paint the illusion of depth but it has become more difficult.

It doesn't matter if something is sitting still in front of me. You need stereo vision to place an object in space. I experience optical illusions in areas where surfaces curve or recede. It's difficult to know where anything is anymore - I have to move my head to give my brain enough information to calculate positions. Sometimes that doesn't work. So much has changed with my vision I could write a book about it.

After I lost the eye it took about a year to regain eye-brush control - I had to touch the canvas with my finger to know where the paintbrush was going to make contact. Now I am back at the point where my hands and brain do that instinctually.

Houcks Mill was painted with one eye, but I believe an artist paints with his or her brain. You can have wonderful vision and never be able to paint.

[BowtownBlade]

I think the painting is beautiful

[Umberto]

I really like that painting.

[Brian]

DD, that is absolutely beautiful! I was going to ask if it was Eden Mill. Don't recall if I have ever been to Houcks Mill, but I certainly know the name. In my next life I would love to study oil painting. I took a few photography courses and a basic art course at HCC (many moons ago), and loved every minute. Just never persued it.

[ded i]

DD, that is absolutely beautiful! I was going to ask if it was Eden Mill. Don't recall if I have ever been to Houcks Mill, but I certainly know the name. In my next life I would love to study oil painting. I took a few photography courses and a basic art course at HCC (many moons ago), and loved every minute. Just never persued it.

Houcks Mill is near the intersection of Houcks Mill Road & Houcks Road. I heard the old mill was sold and would be renovated, so I painted it before the work started. The renovation is complete now, they moved the door to the side and made a lot of other changes. Someone told the new owners about this painting and they bought it from me.

Thanks for the nice comments, guys. :ssmile:

[tubtar]

Truly excellent.
I can feel what kind of day it was when that image was plucked.
Another stupid question for the artists..........do you miss your babies ?
When the painting , sculpture or what ever is sold and gone , do you wonder why you let it go ? ( besides the $$ )
My coveteous nature would be tearing at me I think , but I am not normal.
How does it affect you ?
J.S.

[GODDESS OF VENGEANCE]

Very Beautiful Pic!! Just comes to life when you look at it!! You are a very talented woman DD!!:wes:

[nigel_hell]

Yes Tubtar when I sell an original unreplaceable piece it does tug at my heartstrings. You spend so much time loving it wnd working on it and to watch it go hurts, especially when you are an emerging artist and your work doesn't carry the value it should. Most artists are practically giving away work until some big gallery or media gets a hold of them and they are suddenly deemed FAMOUS.


Truly excellent.
I can feel what kind of day it was when that image was plucked.
Another stupid question for the artists..........do you miss your babies ?
When the painting , sculpture or what ever is sold and gone , do you wonder why you let it go ? ( besides the $$ )
My coveteous nature would be tearing at me I think , but I am not normal.
How does it affect you ?
J.S.

[Drivetech]

Very nice painting!
Old buildings rule, lots more character than their modern replacements...

[silenthunterstudios]

Very nice painting!
Old buildings rule, lots more character than their modern replacements...


Definitely!

[ded i]

..........do you miss your babies ?
When the painting , sculpture or what ever is sold and gone , do you wonder why you let it go ? ( besides the $$ )
My coveteous nature would be tearing at me I think , but I am not normal.
How does it affect you ?
J.S.

Some I miss very much. I like to keep them around the studio or house until I can take them for granted. If one goes away too soon I long to see little parts of it and am constantly repainting it in my head. I have slides of most of my old work _ and now we do digitals, so that helps.

Making art is very expensive. You have to sell or pay to store it. It's not like you have one or two paintings around the house - Many artists do 50 to 200 paintings a year.

Very few artists make a living just selling artwork. But you have no choice in the matter - it's like playing Blues music - you don't choose it - it chooses you.

[Dr Mabuse]

I got a request for some "traditional" landscape and still life - and I don't have too much - at least not in easily accessible digital images. If anyone else has some "traditional" art we'd like to see it.

Here's a painting of an old Mill near my house:
http://www.judysimons.com/images/Houcks_Mill_2a.jpg

did you paint this?...

[Dr Mabuse]

AHEM....

did you paint this thing above?

i know it came from your site... but you never described it form an 'ownership' perspective so i'm not sure...

[ded i]

AHEM....

did you paint this thing above?

i know it came from your site... but you never described it form an 'ownership' perspective so i'm not sure...

I painted Houcks Mill in 2004. It measures 24"x18" Oil on Canvas, and it is signed in the lower left. It's a painting of an old mill located close to my house. People bought it to renovate and I wanted to get it "down" before it changed. The new owners bought the painting, also.

(I'm sorry - did i miss your first post ... ?)

I like doing landscape - so many trees - so little time - and all that. :ssmile:

[Dr Mabuse]

well... i noticed the way you used the description of this as... "traditional"... with the quotes...

no matter how one examines this word usage, and the quotes, there is the smack of a disparaging notion to that...

you could have described it as a "landscape" as you did in the above post, adding that you liked them... but you didn't... or even an "oil on canvas" again as in the above...

so i wondered if this was your own work... this would tell me more about the "traditional" reference and its meanings...

is this thing somehow a "lesser" form of expression to you?...

[ded i]

well... i noticed the way you used the description of this as... "traditional"... with the quotes...

no matter how one examines this word usage, and the quotes, there is the smack of a disparaging notion to that...

you could have described it as a "landscape" as you did in the above post, adding that you liked them... but you didn't... or even an "oil on canvas" again as in the above...

so i wondered if this was your own work... this would tell me more about the "traditional" reference and its meanings...

is this thing somehow a "lesser" form of expression to you?...

No, not lesser at all. Traditional art, if done well, shakes my world. I used quotes around it because there are so many genres of "traditional" -
Grandma Moses' work is considered traditional. Or think about what "traditional" landscape would be in Japan. I should have used another term but, as usual, I'm writing fast here so I'm not being precise.

[IWantThatKnife]

Deadeye - as you know from a previous thread, my mother painted. Here is some of her work. Mostly she would paint the picture from a photograph...

http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/manual-photography/ohio_farm_road.jpg

Farm Road, Southern Ohio

http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/manual-photography/amusement_ocean.jpg

Santa Cruz Amusement Park at night

http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/manual-photography/key_west.jpg

Sloppy Joe's, Duval Street, Key West

http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/manual-photography/desert_town.jpg

Whistlestop, AZ

http://iwantthatknife.com/Gallery/albums/manual-photography/snow_dream.jpg

Legend of the Snow Fox, North American Myth

there are more at my website in the Gallery "Manual Photography"

[xrayzebra]

I love the painting of the Mill, I miss the old Anarchy symbol that used to grace its front door.


Why do I suspect you had a hand in that? :devilzide

[xrayzebra]

well... i noticed the way you used the description of this as... "traditional"... with the quotes...

no matter how one examines this word usage, and the quotes, there is the smack of a disparaging notion to that...

is this thing somehow a "lesser" form of expression to you?...

I think I can also shed some light on that for you, Doc. I believe someone asked her about traditional art, and she used "traditional" in quotes because it is a kind of undefined term that is very open to interpretation for anybody.

If Deadeye means something to be disparaging, there will usually be very little doubt about it. It might be thinly veiled, but you won't have to read all that carefully to get it.

We've gone to Spain twice to see "traditional art," so I'm quite sure that she didn't mean it the way you took it. In fact, I think I can speak for DD when I say that we both prefer more "traditional" art to more "modern" art. But, both terms are much too vague to mean much.

I think "traditional" would probably include terms like figurative, illusionistic, and realistic, while "modern" would include abstract and conceptual.

"Traditional" would exclude stuff like a basketball, vacuum cleaner, or shark in a plexiglass box (with or without formaldehyde) and would exclude performance art or someone canning their own poop and selling it as art.

On the other hand, "traditional" could be taken to mean more folksy kind of art... primitive, etc... but it is not generally a slyly pointed anti-euphemism in our house. (I think I just made up a new word there.)

Almost any word you can think of that is in common usage to describe artwork is double edged... it can be used in both complimentary and derogatory ways, according to context and the self-appointed superiority of judgment of the critic. "Decorative," for example, to the casual listener seems to mean it is pretty, while a critic may use it to mean that the piece is nothing better than flowers on toilet paper. "Craftsmanship" is good in a knife, but may mean that something is "merely craftsmanship" and not something loftier. "Realistic" may seem to mean that the artist is accurately portraying reality, but it may indicate a type of art thought by some to have no value at all in current critical thinking. Being called an "illustrator" can be a huge insult to some.

Talking about art, at all, always has its nuances - like anything that has technical, scientific, aesthetic, even spiritual connotations to it. The casual observer has one vocabulary that has a widely accepted set of meanings that may differ completely from the vocabulary of someone who has studied the subject in an academic context. The popular and the critical assessments are rarely the same. Lots of emotional considerations come into it, even for someone who has studied more deeply - perhaps even more so, though they may believe they are objective.

Okay... I'm off on one of my endless and unqualified rambles here... maybe some others will have something to say.

"I know what I like."

[tmik]

I think I can also shed some light on that for you, Doc. I believe someone asked her about traditional art, and she used "traditional" in quotes because it is a kind of undefined term that is very open to interpretation for anybody.

If Deadeye means something to be disparaging, there will usually be very little doubt about it. It might be thinly veiled, but you won't have to read all that carefully to get it.

We've gone to Spain twice to see "traditional art," so I'm quite sure that she didn't mean it the way you took it. In fact, I think I can speak for DD when I say that we both prefer more "traditional" art to more "modern" art. But, both terms are much too vague to mean much.

I think "traditional" would probably include terms like figurative, illusionistic, and realistic, while "modern" would include abstract and conceptual.

"Traditional" would exclude stuff like a basketball, vacuum cleaner, or shark in a plexiglass box (with or without formaldehyde) and would exclude performance art or someone canning their own poop and selling it as art.

On the other hand, "traditional" could be taken to mean more folksy kind of art... primitive, etc... but it is not generally a slyly pointed anti-euphemism in our house. (I think I just made up a new word there.)

Almost any word you can think of that is in common usage to describe artwork is double edged... it can be used in both complimentary and derogatory ways, according to context and the self-appointed superiority of judgment of the critic. "Decorative," for example, to the casual listener seems to mean it is pretty, while a critic may use it to mean that the piece is nothing better than flowers on toilet paper. "Craftsmanship" is good in a knife, but may mean that something is "merely craftsmanship" and not something loftier. "Realistic" may seem to mean that the artist is accurately portraying reality, but it may indicate a type of art thought by some to have no value at all in current critical thinking. Being called an "illustrator" can be a huge insult to some.

Talking about art, at all, always has its nuances - like anything that has technical, scientific, aesthetic, even spiritual connotations to it. The casual observer has one vocabulary that has a widely accepted set of meanings that may differ completely from the vocabulary of someone who has studied the subject in an academic context. The popular and the critical assessments are rarely the same. Lots of emotional considerations come into it, even for someone who has studied more deeply - perhaps even more so, though they may believe they are objective.

Okay... I'm off on one of my endless and unqualified rambles here... maybe some others will have something to say.

"I know what I like."

Nice to have ya back X, we missed you....

[xrayzebra]

I love you, buddy... :heart:

[Dr Mabuse]

"I know what I like."



no you don't... :madaddy:

i follow you...

something was up with that "traditional"... i just didn't know what...

on one of the family ranches in Wyoming an "art" couple has moved onto a small plot of land they were sold and built a log cabin home... now i know the land wasn't cheap... and its a nice house with a nice studio... so these two are doing very well as compared...

they have a studio... both are Phd's in "art" of some type... both have written books and teach at universities... and oh my they 'talk' the 'talk'... "today is a 'azure' day"...

took me a minute to realize the 'shadow box' thing (course she had a fancy term) i was holding had dead birds in it... real, mind you, dead birds...

she was elaborating on the subtle complexity of the fucking dead birds and all...

i wouldn't let these two rather successful and well-known twits paint elvis on a velvet canvas for me... though his pottery was nice... it sold for big money too...

i'm with you on how completely full of shit the art world is...

you just took more words to say it in... :madaddy:

that painting of the mill is nice work... i liked it...

good stuff DD...

[tubtar]

i wouldn't let these two rather successful and well-known twits paint elvis on a velvet canvas for me.


Not even post-mortem ?
You sir , have no appreciation of what good art is.:bwah:
Lysol kills germs that can live for days on your toilet seat..........which is more than you can say about Elvis...........but speaks volumes of the utilitarian " neatness " that Lysol can provide.
This can be construed as art..........or consumed by the most ardent of alcoholics among us.
I have marvelled at the ability of Lysol to wipe out germs and liver cells , and do it with equal and non-descriminitory abandon.
Don't even get me started on the art of marketing.
Art is everywhere..........especially where there is pain.
J.S.

[ded i]

In his short story, The Winter Market, (anthology, Burning Chrome) William Gibson wrote about an automated piece of sculpture that spins real dead birds around and around on a string The name of the piece was Dead Birds Fly Again.

Birds have a certain resonance. Some of Joseph Cornell's small constructions contain birds. They are cut-out paper birds but it doesn't matter - every time I see one of Cornell's small boxes, especially the ones with birds, my eyes fill with tears.

Joseph Cornell, Untitled (Hotel Eden) 1945 15x15" approximately

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cornell/cornell.hotel-eden.jpg

[Dr Mabuse]

well...

you mention his name... before even the piece...

and i think the WHO may be more important than the work in that case?

see a scrawled blur of wandering lines in crayon becomes a highly emotional thing, eliciting a truly gut-level emotive response... when that person's child did the piece... thereby its the WHO and not the work...

Now Roentgen said "i like what i like"... i can dig that... i expect you feel the same way... that is a purity of intellect that is rather always relevant...

art so easily becomes artist's aiming their work at artist's who, of course, praise it highly, but are they praising the art, or the person of the artist, or the artistic lifestyle they themselves hold dear? those lines are quickly blurred in this type of thing... and the art community almost uniformly holds to the idea that if YOU(whoever) don't find it amazing you don't 'understand art'...

this quote kinda points to my thoughts on this stuff, and it was written a good ways back...

“The history of modern art is also the history of the progressive loss of art's audience. Art has increasingly become the concern of the artist and the bafflement of the public.” - Paul Gauguin

kinda like a post i did on a music thing in the vids... if you have 'it' in artistic expression... the 'lame' old ways of blending a color, brush on canvas... sculpture... etc. will suffice to amaze people and announce your gift at your craft... i always find the "new" and "fresh" and mechanics, of a given thing to be sought by one who cannot announce themselves with 'it'... therefore intellect and cleverness come in with the mechanics of a given thing...

“The artist is nothing without the gift, but the gift is nothing without work.” - Emile Zola

“Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.” - Leonardo da(of) Vinci

“Where the spirit does not work with the hand there is no art” - Leonardo da Vinci...

as RR said, 'poop in a can', about the many mindless things passed as 'art' by fools who frankly make a lot of money selling 'crap' to fools... and many universally praise this as 'innovation'... and ground breaking... or... god help us... avant garde... and the artists always praise the other ones in that "groundbreaking" crowd...

“Bad artists always admire each others work.” - Oscar Wilde

but they all claim... this is just groundbreaking stuff 'above' the mere minds of the 'public'... to make it appear ot be a 'furthering' of "art" like this thought below... (for lack of a better way i'll throw another quote)...

“In art, all who have done something other than their predecessors have merited the epithet of revolutionary; and it is they alone who are masters.” - Paul Gauguin

but the fact is i, for one, can tell the difference... when i saw your brushwork on a canvas, only then did i know who i was "dealing with" or "looking at"... it was good work btw... i really liked...

don't take this stuff as argumentative... it's not meant to be... i'm just stating my take on this stuff... and i'll be damned if RR is going to burn my ass for backing down again... :madaddy:

while i'm on Paul... another quote of his i like...

“There is always a heavy demand for fresh mediocrity. In every generation the least cultivated taste has the largest appetite.” - Paul Gauguin

[ded i]

I think that last quote by Gauguin contains the key - he talks about cultivated tastes. Art appreciation is just like appreciation of anything else, your knowledge & understanding fuels your tastes at different levels.

Mike Stewart thinks Cutco knives stink because he *knows* so much about knives and knifemaking. Everyone has opinions about art but people who study art extensively have more defensible opinions. Everyone knows what they like, and that is valid, but when you are part of the art community you realize the field of art has it's own language and you know the vocabulary. Artists talk with one another about specific minutia of different disciplines. The personality of the knifemaker or the artist becomes important in the dialog, how they have certain little quirks, or how strong a color sense, or how they deal with composition.

I really dislike the Cornell box in the Baltimore Museum - it's awful. But I can always pick out a Cornell box no matter where I see it - no matter how many similar boxes are near it.

[Lady MacDeath]

I don't have a photo of the painting you requested, DD, but here's a couple that should fit the "traditional" bill.

[Brian]

Hey, I think I know that blonde!

Naw, but I would like to meet her. :devilzeek

[Umberto]

I don't have a photo of the painting you requested, DD, but here's a couple that should fit the "traditional" bill.


very nice.
I'm wondering what size they are.

[xrayzebra]

Brian, I believe the models are both Harford County residents.

Umberto - you must be asking about the second painting. ("How big are they?") I met the model while Judy and Melissa were painting her. I can vouch that the scale is accurate. "They" are good solid 44 double d, at least.

[tubtar]

"They" are good solid 44 double d, at least.

That is what I lovingly refer to as " ample mammae "
Melonas aside , those are both wonderful paintings.
Soft and sensual. Warm.
Puts a fella to thinking about his personal comfort zone.
J.S.

[Umberto]

the paintings dammit.

But yeah.

xray you have my life and i want it back.